[Noisebridge-discuss] "member" culture, not policy
andrew at pachakutech.com
Sun Mar 24 00:29:22 UTC 2013
Mik, you make some great points, but damn, you deliver them with a punch.
... and a story about being excluded from various parts of Noisebridge.
People have changed, why not try the hackatorium again?
On Mar 23, 2013 10:05 AM, "Mitchel McAllister" <xonimmortal at yahoo.com>
> This is a facetious and specious claim. EFF does do work to benefit the
> community/society, within their stated aims. Nowhere in EFF's
> mission/vision/etc. do they promise to provide space for people to work on
> Employees are not members. Members are not employees.
> I suspect that you are just trolling to piss off a few people here who
> have more direct connections to the EFF than you or I.
> If that is your version of hacking, I suggest you go back to 4chan where
> you can publish personal details of people who disagree with you.
> --- On Sat, 3/23/13, John Withers <jwithers at reddagger.org> wrote:
> > From: John Withers <jwithers at reddagger.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] "member" culture, not policy
> > To: noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net
> > Date: Saturday, March 23, 2013, 9:59 AM
> > On 03/23/2013 12:33 PM, Mitchel
> > McAllister wrote:
> > > 2. Closing the space to non-members will not work
> > because it will also get Noisebridge in trouble. This time
> > with the IRS and California state government. An
> > organization that is founded solely for the benefit of
> > members - once again, for members*only* - is not a
> > charitable organization and does not receive tax-exempt
> > status. As a matter of fact, a **mutual benefit
> > organization** is taxed, and members have their benefits
> > from said organization taxed as well. Even non-monetary
> > benefits have to be assigned a cost/value and taxed
> > accordingly. I have said this several times, and been
> > ignored. Let me spell this out for you: This **fact** is not
> > going to change just because you don't want to believe it.
> > Mik!
> > Do me a favor, go and set up your laptop and start your
> > "hacking" in the offices of the EFF. Just for a couple of
> > days. When they decide to remove you because you aren't
> > helping with their mission, you can explain to them that
> > they can't have offices just for their employees and people
> > they decide by their limited choice process to help. Might I
> > suggest Danny's office there? I have been thinking for quite
> > a while that someone needs to teach those ignorant bastards
> > how 501c3's work.
> > j
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