[Noisebridge-discuss] DoJ supports the right to record police (and to sue if they try to stop you)
maestro415 at gmail.com
Sun Mar 24 01:39:19 UTC 2013
>Civilians cannot initiate criminal prosecutions in the US.
# correct. i should have included THAT should folks>>
# want to pursue a case and it says it in the book i re:'d.
# you can as a citizen go to the d.a. 1st with your evidence>>
# and they will make the decision to press criminal charges.
# fucked up in S.F. d.a. is former police chief (very lame).
# best to have an attorney do it, but you can do it on your own.
# if citizen and/or their attorneys don't get the result they want>>
# from d.a. they can take it higher and, to bring in your prior info,>>
# go to the d.o.j. with their evidence.
# sucks to have to do but, it's the d.o.j. and fbi that are busting sfpd>>
# for A LOT of shit right now as much as we can't stand feds.
# using them for this purpose leaves no bad taste.
# important for folks to know that you can also sue the cop(s) in small
# for up to $7500, but it must be other charges than used in a civil
# example: use U.S.C. 1983 in federal court and assault/battery/others in>>
# small claims (whatever they may be you can prove)
# this makes it possible to sue them twice where you cannot in federal.
# and you sue them under their name NOT city of S.F./sfpd/name(s).
>§1983/Bivens actions can get damages and declaratory or injunctive
>relief. They can do enough damage that someone gets fired. But they
>can't make the government convict someone of a crime per se.
# yes. and contrary to what 'they' will try to do, you get FULL access to>>
# any cop's personnel file and disciplinary record(s) as soon as your
# is set for trial.
# 'they' will usually push it to the max. 2 year time frame trying to get
you to lose>>
# patience and faith and drop it. DON'T. use a contingency agreement with
# lawyer(s). this way time is irrelevant and you just sit back and have
# we have successfully sued sfpd and are open-source with how to do it for
# that are serious and have solid cases.
# there will be many that try to tell you it can't be done, too well
# bullshit. and video/audio is GOLD.
# and it takes patience...
# also see [filming cops], [copblock] (many across nation), [exposing
# [copwatch] and those link off to other resources
On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 4:03 PM, Sai <sai at saizai.com> wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 3:05 PM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > # depending on what they are found guilty of>>
> > # under color of law, if they are found criminally>>
> > # guilty, they LOSE their badge FOR LIFE and cannot>>
> > # work as cops of any type in the U.S. again and best part>>
> > # is there is NO APPEAL allowed.
> Civilians cannot initiate criminal prosecutions in the US.
> §1983/Bivens actions can get damages and declaratory or injunctive
> relief. They can do enough damage that someone gets fired. But they
> can't make the government convict someone of a crime per se.
> I think you have your laws confused.
> - Sai
*~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
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