[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals

jim jim at well.com
Thu Nov 14 23:54:29 UTC 2013



    Thank you for your encouragement, Leif. 
I'll be there this coming Tuesday evening 
at 8 PM. 




On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 21:14 +0000, Leif Ryge wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2013 at 12:24:03PM -0800, jim wrote:
> > 
> >     I agree. This stuff is wrong and should 
> > not be supported but opposed. It seems to 
> > me that we now have a small cabal that is 
> > trying to address problems by fiat rather 
> > than ad hoc with sympathy and analysis and 
> > patience. 
> > 
> >     Ideals should not be implemented as 
> > policies or rules: ideals are ideal and 
> > cannot account for all of reality for any 
> > situation let alone multiple similar 
> > situations. 
> 
> +1
> 
> jim, I know you're not a fan of meetings, but I really wish you'd lend your
> voice to them occassionally!
> 
> Others too: it seems that only a very small number of members have been
> attending meetings lately, and they're making some ridiculous decisions.
> 
> Noisebridge appears to be getting trolled into becoming an authoritarian parody
> of a hackerspace. I urge you all to stop letting this happen.
> 
> ~leif
> 
> ps: I haven't attended a meeting myself since July as I'm currently not living
> in SF; I sure hope I'll be able to get into Noisebridge without submitting to a
> cavity search when I get back!
> 
> > On Thu, 2013-11-14 at 19:40 +0000, Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
> > > I was disheartened to see the following:
> > > 
> > > > B. We discussed Tom's proposal to make the list of members public. We
> > > > agreed the following:
> > > > 
> > > > "It shall not a secret whether a person is Member of Noisebridge. It shall
> > > > be the responsibility of each member to identify themself as a member by
> > > > adding the Category:Members to their wiki user page. Until a Member so
> > > > identifies, they shall not be entitled to any privilege of Noisebridge
> > > > Membership. Likewise, if a member is on Membership/Hiatus, they must
> > > > indicate this by adding the Category:Hiatus to their wiki user page; this
> > > > method of so identifying shall replace any other notification requirement
> > > > for going on and coming off hiatus. Although it shall generally be a
> > > > responsibility shared by all members to ensure that this category of
> > > > identification is used correctly, in cases where its use is disputed,
> > > > Noisebridge's secretary shall be the final arbiter."
> > > 
> > > It has never been a secret that a person is a member of Noisebridge -
> > > rather if someone wishes to identify as such, it is their choice. The
> > > membership binder and the treasurer are the final arbiter of any
> > > statements made by anyone, of course.
> > > 
> > > With that said - the above is rather sad but the following for next week
> > > is really sad:
> > > 
> > > > A. "As a result of our prior conversation, we collectively propose: If a
> > > > member has not identified themself as such by adding the Category:Members
> > > > to their wiki user page by $DATE, they shall no longer be a member of
> > > > Noisebridge."
> > > 
> > > I object and request a proxy at the next meeting to block this in the
> > > consensus process.
> > > 
> > > Members of Noisebridge have a right to privacy and they should have a
> > > right to decide if they disclose their affiliation with Noisebridge.
> > > This robs them of that ability in a time when we face massive
> > > persecution from both corporate and state actors.
> > > 
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Jacob
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