[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals

jim jim at systemateka.com
Sat Nov 16 04:41:33 UTC 2013


JS: For the last many years I've become used 
to getting inflamed responses to my ideas. 
    Ceren raised the topic of harassment; I 
picked a crude example that I believe has 
happened a couple of times at Noisebridge to 
have specifics to discuss. 

JS: Note that your friends are your community, 
but not everyone at noisebridge is your friend 
(I don't mean enemy, just that there are people 
who come to NB who don't know you're part of NB, 
just as you don't know of them). 
    There are at least a few different 
communities at Noisebridge, and as far as I 
can tell, they're largely ignorant of the others. 



On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 15:42 -0800, Danny O'Brien wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>     As to females being harassed, for cases of
> >> crude coppings of feels, I dislike taht female
> >> turning to the community for support; I would
> >> eagerly defend any female who hauled off and
> >> slugged whoever copped a feel or to go get some
> >> friends and return to verbally educate the
> >> offender: it's dis-empowering to perceive one's
> >> self as a victim and turn to a community for
> >> support for what is an individual incident.
> >
> 
> On the planet I live on, my friends *are* my community, and violence
> of any kind within that community is unacceptable to me. The whole
> *point* is to be able to turn to the community as a whole, so that
> people who are otherwise diminished in power can expect the support of
> others.
> 
> Christ, Jim, what the hell *is* this?
> 
> 
> >
> > Whoa - whoa whoa whoa - whoaaaaa...
> >
> > Time out - did you really just say that women who get groped ("cases of
> > crude coppings of feels") should not ask the community to help them out? And
> > you believe that it's disempowering somehow??
> >
> > And that people should just punch people or deal with it on their own? Is
> > this really what you're suggesting?
> >
> >>
> >>     There will be no way fully to suppress such
> >> actions taken by horney and inconsiderate
> >> personages, policies and rules and committee
> >> resolutions aside (far, far aside, I hope).
> >>
> >
> > I can't even. Here's a good way to suppress the actions of "horney" or
> > inconsiderate people: never let them back in Noisebridge because that's a
> > terrible excuse for their actions!
> >
> >
> >>
> >>     Please ask yourself if you are prone to
> >> express yourself when you believe you have the
> >> "high ground" and can properly scold others. I.e.,
> >> are you living too much with anger?
> >
> >
> > With the rage of a thousand burning stars.
> >
> >
> > TO EVERYONE ELSE READING THIS - There are lots of people in the community at
> > large who will help you out if someone is creeping on you or worse, whether
> > you are "taht females" or just a plain ol' human being! Don't let what Jim
> > says dissuade you from reporting harassment or assault or pointing out
> > creepers! This is not an opinion everyone here carries. Please don't ever
> > feel like it's your fault or that you're required to punch people - it's a
> > valid and rational response to remove yourself from a dangerous situation
> > and try to sort things out later from a safe place rather than confront your
> > harasser/assaulter. If someone is creeping on you, they are pretty much
> > always creeping on OTHERS, too, so you are not alone or stuck in some
> > isolated personal incident! And as a community we can try to make
> > Noisebridge a safer place for everyone.
> >
> > Also, women really appreciate being called women and not "females". Do you
> > go around saying "the males" when referring to men? Probably not.
> >
> > Angry forever,
> > Snail
> >
> > --
> > -Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails
> > ............. _ at y
> > http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/
> >
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