[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals

Danny O'Brien danny at spesh.com
Sat Nov 16 05:40:10 UTC 2013


On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:41 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> JS: For the last many years I've become used
> to getting inflamed responses to my ideas.

Jim, this may be because your ideas have, to be polite, slipped the
surly bonds of earth.

>     Ceren raised the topic of harassment; I
> picked a crude example that I believe has
> happened a couple of times at Noisebridge to
> have specifics to discuss.
>

That sentence sense makes no.

> JS: Note that your friends are your community,
> but not everyone at noisebridge is your friend
> (I don't mean enemy, just that there are people
> who come to NB who don't know you're part of NB,
> just as you don't know of them).
>     There are at least a few different
> communities at Noisebridge, and as far as I
> can tell, they're largely ignorant of the others.
>

This is true. But, honestly, if someone was to punch somebody else in
the face at Noisebridge, I'd throw them out. I'm not really happy
working in a place where that's okay -- nor where people can't turn to
others to cope with physical assault or harassment.

Really, I don't actually know how to engage with you usefully without
that as a baseline. You're saying here that violence is *better*
solution that a code of conduct. That may be okay for people  who are
better at slugging people out than negotiating written social rules,
but I really don't actually want to be in the same space as people
like that. You have to have *some* shared values in order to
co-operatively run a space, and that seems to be one of the basic
ones.

d.

>
>
> On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 15:42 -0800, Danny O'Brien wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>     As to females being harassed, for cases of
>> >> crude coppings of feels, I dislike taht female
>> >> turning to the community for support; I would
>> >> eagerly defend any female who hauled off and
>> >> slugged whoever copped a feel or to go get some
>> >> friends and return to verbally educate the
>> >> offender: it's dis-empowering to perceive one's
>> >> self as a victim and turn to a community for
>> >> support for what is an individual incident.
>> >
>>
>> On the planet I live on, my friends *are* my community, and violence
>> of any kind within that community is unacceptable to me. The whole
>> *point* is to be able to turn to the community as a whole, so that
>> people who are otherwise diminished in power can expect the support of
>> others.
>>
>> Christ, Jim, what the hell *is* this?
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Whoa - whoa whoa whoa - whoaaaaa...
>> >
>> > Time out - did you really just say that women who get groped ("cases of
>> > crude coppings of feels") should not ask the community to help them out? And
>> > you believe that it's disempowering somehow??
>> >
>> > And that people should just punch people or deal with it on their own? Is
>> > this really what you're suggesting?
>> >
>> >>
>> >>     There will be no way fully to suppress such
>> >> actions taken by horney and inconsiderate
>> >> personages, policies and rules and committee
>> >> resolutions aside (far, far aside, I hope).
>> >>
>> >
>> > I can't even. Here's a good way to suppress the actions of "horney" or
>> > inconsiderate people: never let them back in Noisebridge because that's a
>> > terrible excuse for their actions!
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>     Please ask yourself if you are prone to
>> >> express yourself when you believe you have the
>> >> "high ground" and can properly scold others. I.e.,
>> >> are you living too much with anger?
>> >
>> >
>> > With the rage of a thousand burning stars.
>> >
>> >
>> > TO EVERYONE ELSE READING THIS - There are lots of people in the community at
>> > large who will help you out if someone is creeping on you or worse, whether
>> > you are "taht females" or just a plain ol' human being! Don't let what Jim
>> > says dissuade you from reporting harassment or assault or pointing out
>> > creepers! This is not an opinion everyone here carries. Please don't ever
>> > feel like it's your fault or that you're required to punch people - it's a
>> > valid and rational response to remove yourself from a dangerous situation
>> > and try to sort things out later from a safe place rather than confront your
>> > harasser/assaulter. If someone is creeping on you, they are pretty much
>> > always creeping on OTHERS, too, so you are not alone or stuck in some
>> > isolated personal incident! And as a community we can try to make
>> > Noisebridge a safer place for everyone.
>> >
>> > Also, women really appreciate being called women and not "females". Do you
>> > go around saying "the males" when referring to men? Probably not.
>> >
>> > Angry forever,
>> > Snail
>> >
>> > --
>> > -Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails
>> > ............. _ at y
>> > http://obamaischeckingyouremail.tumblr.com/
>> >
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