[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals
danny at spesh.com
Sat Nov 16 05:40:10 UTC 2013
On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 8:41 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> JS: For the last many years I've become used
> to getting inflamed responses to my ideas.
Jim, this may be because your ideas have, to be polite, slipped the
surly bonds of earth.
> Ceren raised the topic of harassment; I
> picked a crude example that I believe has
> happened a couple of times at Noisebridge to
> have specifics to discuss.
That sentence sense makes no.
> JS: Note that your friends are your community,
> but not everyone at noisebridge is your friend
> (I don't mean enemy, just that there are people
> who come to NB who don't know you're part of NB,
> just as you don't know of them).
> There are at least a few different
> communities at Noisebridge, and as far as I
> can tell, they're largely ignorant of the others.
This is true. But, honestly, if someone was to punch somebody else in
the face at Noisebridge, I'd throw them out. I'm not really happy
working in a place where that's okay -- nor where people can't turn to
others to cope with physical assault or harassment.
Really, I don't actually know how to engage with you usefully without
that as a baseline. You're saying here that violence is *better*
solution that a code of conduct. That may be okay for people who are
better at slugging people out than negotiating written social rules,
but I really don't actually want to be in the same space as people
like that. You have to have *some* shared values in order to
co-operatively run a space, and that seems to be one of the basic
> On Fri, 2013-11-15 at 15:42 -0800, Danny O'Brien wrote:
>> On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Snail <snailtsunami at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2013 at 11:13 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
>> >> As to females being harassed, for cases of
>> >> crude coppings of feels, I dislike taht female
>> >> turning to the community for support; I would
>> >> eagerly defend any female who hauled off and
>> >> slugged whoever copped a feel or to go get some
>> >> friends and return to verbally educate the
>> >> offender: it's dis-empowering to perceive one's
>> >> self as a victim and turn to a community for
>> >> support for what is an individual incident.
>> On the planet I live on, my friends *are* my community, and violence
>> of any kind within that community is unacceptable to me. The whole
>> *point* is to be able to turn to the community as a whole, so that
>> people who are otherwise diminished in power can expect the support of
>> Christ, Jim, what the hell *is* this?
>> > Whoa - whoa whoa whoa - whoaaaaa...
>> > Time out - did you really just say that women who get groped ("cases of
>> > crude coppings of feels") should not ask the community to help them out? And
>> > you believe that it's disempowering somehow??
>> > And that people should just punch people or deal with it on their own? Is
>> > this really what you're suggesting?
>> >> There will be no way fully to suppress such
>> >> actions taken by horney and inconsiderate
>> >> personages, policies and rules and committee
>> >> resolutions aside (far, far aside, I hope).
>> > I can't even. Here's a good way to suppress the actions of "horney" or
>> > inconsiderate people: never let them back in Noisebridge because that's a
>> > terrible excuse for their actions!
>> >> Please ask yourself if you are prone to
>> >> express yourself when you believe you have the
>> >> "high ground" and can properly scold others. I.e.,
>> >> are you living too much with anger?
>> > With the rage of a thousand burning stars.
>> > TO EVERYONE ELSE READING THIS - There are lots of people in the community at
>> > large who will help you out if someone is creeping on you or worse, whether
>> > you are "taht females" or just a plain ol' human being! Don't let what Jim
>> > says dissuade you from reporting harassment or assault or pointing out
>> > creepers! This is not an opinion everyone here carries. Please don't ever
>> > feel like it's your fault or that you're required to punch people - it's a
>> > valid and rational response to remove yourself from a dangerous situation
>> > and try to sort things out later from a safe place rather than confront your
>> > harasser/assaulter. If someone is creeping on you, they are pretty much
>> > always creeping on OTHERS, too, so you are not alone or stuck in some
>> > isolated personal incident! And as a community we can try to make
>> > Noisebridge a safer place for everyone.
>> > Also, women really appreciate being called women and not "females". Do you
>> > go around saying "the males" when referring to men? Probably not.
>> > Angry forever,
>> > Snail
>> > --
>> > -Snailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnailssnails
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