[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals

jim jim at systemateka.com
Sun Nov 17 09:56:37 UTC 2013


On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 18:23 -0800, Danny O'Brien wrote:

> How's it going with you? 
Badly, obviously. 

> The stalinist boot of destruction stomping
> down on your freedom much? 
You've got my fears exactly right. 

> Has the number of incidents of sexual
> assault solved by Heinleinian fisticuffs plummeted overall in your
> corner of the anarchist utopia? 
We have no sexual anything in my anarchistic 
corner, which is nothing like utopian. 
We're concerned about the homeless and 
about kids learning music and wish the 
entire topic of gender did not exist. 

Viva a One-Celled World! 

> 
> d.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >
> > How's it working out in practice?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 16:31 -0800, Hannah Grimm wrote:
> >> You know what actions I've taken in response to harassment that have
> >> felt really empowering, Jim?
> >>
> >>
> >> Getting an anti-harassment policy passed.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:59 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>         My replies interspersed below:
> >>
> >>         On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 13:30 -0800, hep wrote:
> >>         > I would like to take this opportunity to point out that this
> >>         entire
> >>         > discussion is a pretty good example of why in 2013 we need a
> >>         firm,
> >>         > clear, anti-harassment policy for noisebridge to take the
> >>         first step
> >>         > for being a truly safe environment for everyone.
> >>
> >>         JS: I believe such a policy will have negligible
> >>         affect.
> >>
> >>         > Here in November 2013, a man is seriously proposing that
> >>         women*, many
> >>         > of whom: may be smaller than many males, non-confrontational
> >>         for one
> >>         > reason or another, alone except for their attacker, and/or
> >>         may
> >>         > possibly have reasons for not wanting to engage physically
> >>         with a male
> >>         > who has just sexually assaulted them, hit their attacker and
> >>         then
> >>         > silence themselves from any community support, over an issue
> >>         that will
> >>         > often be called into question repeatedly as to a) whether it
> >>         happened
> >>         > b) whether it was "enough" to warrent a response, and c)
> >>         whether the
> >>         > victim merely "misinterpreted" what happened to their own
> >>         body.
> >>
> >>         JS: I proposed no such thing.
> >>
> >>
> >>         > Then that man asks a woman who is upset by the tepid
> >>         official response
> >>         > to sexual assault in the community if she should really be
> >>         so mad, and
> >>         > if she really has the "higher ground" to stand on.
> >>
> >>         JS: I have previous experience with that person
> >>         and stand by my suggestion that she may be living
> >>         too much in anger.
> >>         >
> >>         > Then that man goes on to repeatedly back these points.
> >>
> >>         JS: incorrect, as your description of the points
> >>         is largely erroneous.
> >>         >
> >>         > Then that man *claims that the community should support his
> >>         viewpoints
> >>         > because he is somehow a less privileged community member*
> >>         and deserves
> >>         > equal "community support" as a sexual assault victim.
> >>
> >>         JS: I made no such claims. I suggest that individuals
> >>         consider that taking action might be empowering for
> >>         them. I do not suggest that anyone necessarily take
> >>         action alone, and as someone rightly suggested, taking
> >>         action, especially alone, might prove dangerous and
> >>         foolish.
> >>         >
> >>         > Just sayin'.
> >>         JS: and liking it.
> >>         >
> >>         > -hep
> >>
> >>         > I say woman only because he framed that as the example.
> >>
> >>         JS: yes, and I now regret choosing such a lurid
> >>         example. I now wish I'd used a homeless-seeming
> >>         and non-hacker-seeming person as an example. The
> >>         dynamics would have been more interesting to
> >>         explore.
> >>
> >>
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