[Noisebridge-discuss] anti-anonymity proposals

Jeffrey Carl Faden jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Sun Nov 17 16:07:42 UTC 2013


Sure:

https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-October/039856.html

(See previous and next messages as well.)


On Sun, Nov 17, 2013 at 1:39 AM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:

>
> I'm interested, can you give me a date or
> subject heading so I can find it?
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 17:53 -0800, Jeffrey Carl Faden wrote:
> > I have actually invoked the policy when a discussion arose using
> > harmful language on the mailing list. Everyone involved learned a
> > valuable lesson about friendship.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 5:28 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com> wrote:
> >
> >         How's it working out in practice?
> >
> >
> >
> >         On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 16:31 -0800, Hannah Grimm wrote:
> >         > You know what actions I've taken in response to harassment
> >         that have
> >         > felt really empowering, Jim?
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > Getting an anti-harassment policy passed.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         > On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:59 PM, jim <jim at systemateka.com>
> >         wrote:
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         My replies interspersed below:
> >         >
> >         >         On Sat, 2013-11-16 at 13:30 -0800, hep wrote:
> >         >         > I would like to take this opportunity to point out
> >         that this
> >         >         entire
> >         >         > discussion is a pretty good example of why in 2013
> >         we need a
> >         >         firm,
> >         >         > clear, anti-harassment policy for noisebridge to
> >         take the
> >         >         first step
> >         >         > for being a truly safe environment for everyone.
> >         >
> >         >         JS: I believe such a policy will have negligible
> >         >         affect.
> >         >
> >         >         > Here in November 2013, a man is seriously
> >         proposing that
> >         >         women*, many
> >         >         > of whom: may be smaller than many males,
> >         non-confrontational
> >         >         for one
> >         >         > reason or another, alone except for their
> >         attacker, and/or
> >         >         may
> >         >         > possibly have reasons for not wanting to engage
> >         physically
> >         >         with a male
> >         >         > who has just sexually assaulted them, hit their
> >         attacker and
> >         >         then
> >         >         > silence themselves from any community support,
> >         over an issue
> >         >         that will
> >         >         > often be called into question repeatedly as to a)
> >         whether it
> >         >         happened
> >         >         > b) whether it was "enough" to warrent a response,
> >         and c)
> >         >         whether the
> >         >         > victim merely "misinterpreted" what happened to
> >         their own
> >         >         body.
> >         >
> >         >         JS: I proposed no such thing.
> >         >
> >         >
> >         >         > Then that man asks a woman who is upset by the
> >         tepid
> >         >         official response
> >         >         > to sexual assault in the community if she should
> >         really be
> >         >         so mad, and
> >         >         > if she really has the "higher ground" to stand on.
> >         >
> >         >         JS: I have previous experience with that person
> >         >         and stand by my suggestion that she may be living
> >         >         too much in anger.
> >         >         >
> >         >         > Then that man goes on to repeatedly back these
> >         points.
> >         >
> >         >         JS: incorrect, as your description of the points
> >         >         is largely erroneous.
> >         >         >
> >         >         > Then that man *claims that the community should
> >         support his
> >         >         viewpoints
> >         >         > because he is somehow a less privileged community
> >         member*
> >         >         and deserves
> >         >         > equal "community support" as a sexual assault
> >         victim.
> >         >
> >         >         JS: I made no such claims. I suggest that
> >         individuals
> >         >         consider that taking action might be empowering for
> >         >         them. I do not suggest that anyone necessarily take
> >         >         action alone, and as someone rightly suggested,
> >         taking
> >         >         action, especially alone, might prove dangerous and
> >         >         foolish.
> >         >         >
> >         >         > Just sayin'.
> >         >         JS: and liking it.
> >         >         >
> >         >         > -hep
> >         >
> >         >         > I say woman only because he framed that as the
> >         example.
> >         >
> >         >         JS: yes, and I now regret choosing such a lurid
> >         >         example. I now wish I'd used a homeless-seeming
> >         >         and non-hacker-seeming person as an example. The
> >         >         dynamics would have been more interesting to
> >         >         explore.
> >         >
> >         >
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