[Noisebridge-discuss] The Nuclear Option

Danny O'Brien danny at spesh.com
Mon Nov 25 03:45:27 UTC 2013


I made Lee back to being an admin, presuming that he won't just go
crazy or something.

If he goes crazy, somebody call me. Presumably the craziness will
extend to fixing the wrong typo and we will have to punish him with
Madame La Guillotine



On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 9:18 AM, Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:
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> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> You're right, Lee. You made the large changes first, followed by the
>> smaller changes. I had it backwards.
>>
> Thank you.
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>> Regardless, "Do not edit this page." is and has always been at the very
>> first line of the page.
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> Hmm. Sorry about that. I saw Tom's edit here and (incorrectly) thought that
> he had added the "Do not edit this page..." text on November 12th. I now see
> that the text has been there for a long time.
>
>>
>> And your second change includes, albeit small, wording changes in addition
>> to the typo corrections. "If you wish to modify it, you should bring up your
>> desired changes at a weekly meeting."
>>
>
> Let me reiterate:
> - Doocracy
> - Be Bold
> - Trustworthy
> - Tom removed my wiki rights after I did exactly what he suggested I do
> - No one has reverted my changes (because, presumably they are fine)
> - I would appreciate it if you restored my bureaucrat and administrator
> rights on the wiki.
>
> Lee
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>> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 7:44 AM, Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:
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>>> Let me try responding to Tom's email a different way. Tom wrote:
>>> ---- Start of Snippet ----
>>> You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information, ignoring
>>> the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a
>>> consensus discussion. When I rolled back your changes and asked you to
>>> stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,
>>> hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding
>>> information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.
>>> Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.
>>> ----  End of Snippet  ----
>>>
>>> Here is my response to each point:
>>> >You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information
>>>
>>> The information was correct as of 10-29-13. Sorry if my information had
>>> become wildly out of date a week later.
>>>
>>>
>>> >, ignoring the notice that the page should only be edited as the result
>>> > of a consensus discussion.
>>>
>>> 1- You had placed that notice there just a few hours before. It's
>>> bothersome to think you could write something on a wiki and have it stand as
>>> the law for all eternity without any questioning. The entire world does not
>>> attend all of the same meetings that you attend.
>>> 2- You specifically told me that fixing typos was ok
>>>
>>>
>>> > When I rolled back your changes and asked you to
>>> > stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,
>>>
>>> I missed a meeting and was making edits that followed a discussion that
>>> had happened 8 days previously. Sue me.
>>>
>>> > hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding
>>> > information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.
>>>
>>> You are making shit up. Read the full text of my email to you here.
>>> Your melodramatic paraphrasing is not becoming.
>>>
>>>
>>> >Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.
>>>
>>> I edited the page again following your specific instructions.
>>>
>>>
>>> Tom, I would appreciate it if you restored my bureaucrat and
>>> administrator
>>> rights on the wiki.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 5:11 PM, Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:
>>>> > Tom, why did you remove my bureaucrat and administrator rights on the
>>>> > Noisebridge wiki and stop answering my emails?
>>>>
>>>> Lee, I removed your admin privileges to stop you from continuing to
>>>> edit the protected page describing our membership process.
>>>>
>>>> You edited the membership page, adding incorrect information, ignoring
>>>> the notice that the page should only be edited as the result of a
>>>> consensus discussion. When I rolled back your changes and asked you to
>>>> stop, you admitted that you weren't at the consensus discussion,
>>>> hadn't actually read any notes about it, and were just adding
>>>> information that you thought was similar to what had been discussed.
>>>> Then you edited the page again, so I removed your admin privileges.
>>>>
>>>> Was it also you (IP 71.135.45.119) who edited the anti-harassment
>>>> policy page? Perhaps it was someone else. In any event, if
>>>> 71.135.45.119 is reading: the text on that page is *also* the result
>>>> of a consensus process, and should not be edited. In fact, the page
>>>> has a banner across the top letting readers know about the policy's
>>>> trial period, and how to contribute on Github, which is where we
>>>> agreed to work on changes.
>>>>
>>>> -Tom
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