[Noisebridge-discuss] creating a safer environment at noisebridge
andrew at pachakutech.com
Mon Oct 7 01:12:57 UTC 2013
In sorry Rachel, my personal email to you asked if I should voluntarily
leave Noisebridge while the meditation occurred, the collective meeting
having been "meh" when I volunteered to abandon my more public commitments
to the space. I was trying to keep peace on this list while asking someone
whose opinion I respect about the best course of action going forward--and
took your response as fatwa/gospel--but see how any words from me are
dismissed as shit in your soda.
If you are fuzzy on my situation, please read this post from discuss, early
I'd also like you to refrain from using sexual imagery: "douchy nozzle" in
referring to me; they way you do it is offensive as hell though not out of
character for the kind of bullying I've experienced here. I realize this
comes from an honest place, and would be glad to discuss problems anyone
has with me, particularly in a meditation, less so in a meeting.
Also, can someone describe Jesse Z? Is his pic on the 86 list?
On Oct 6, 2013 2:26 PM, "rachel lyra hospodar" <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:
> So for an example, as per Ron's questions and Jake's clearly related
> concerns, I will point out that one way of helping to create a safe
> environment is by you yourself, dear reader, visibly standing up to the
> objectionable behavior of asshole harasser types, even if one doesn't
> believe they should be pushed out of the community. A visible ongoing
> commitment on the part of male-identified non-asshole persons to respond
> publicly when douchenozzles resurface.... that would really go a long way
> towards creating an environment that is not conducive to douchenozzleism.
> I have been hearing rumors that jesse z, convicted rapist and person who
> admitted in a meeting to harassing me because he didn't think I was hacker
> enough, is back hanging out at Ye Olde Noise Bridge. I guess that means
> he's out of jail for raping that woman at Camp Tipsy. SRSLY WE BANNED THE
> GUY, BECAUSE OF THIS, SO WHY NO FANFARE FOR HIS RETURN? Remember the fact
> that he physically assaulted an older, male member of our community as
> My understanding of where things stand with Dru is fuzzy. I know that
> after private emails he sent to me and others, i have no interest in
> interacting with his douchey nozzle. I did some wiki searching and it seems
> that our process stalled out there. I know that he makes many folks here
> uncomfortable and, dear reader, you know this too. So then what? 'Don't
> feed the trolls', as a philosophy, tends to perpetuate the status quo,
> folks. Ignoring douchenozzles when they talk their douchnozzlery is an
> implicit social endorsement, and is incidentally a recourse only available
> to those with privilege along whatever axis the nozzle is douching.
> Can someone who is not female pursue these issues with actual action? THAT
> WOULD BE A FUCKING START. If you think that ostracism isn't the solution,
> you wouldn't be the only one. That doesn't let you off the hook of engaging
> with the issue. When it's about an actual bike shed, the exhaustion at the
> end of a circular argument is almost cute. Aww, look, they gave up. When
> it's about assault, the exhaustion at the end of a failed attempt to
> establish a community standard is a death knell for the community as it
> once was, for it heralds a stage of community development where we find
> kinder, gentler folk fleeing like rats from a burning ship. I don't mean
> that as a euphemism for women, who aren't inherently kind or gentle. I mean
> the kinder gentler folk, of all types, who aren't interested in
> monkey-status chest-banging so much as soldering, learning, and sharing.
> You know, those things Noisebridge EXISTS TO ENCOURAGE?
> For anyone interested in a little further light reading, I recently came
> across this which, in a way, touches on why if eg sexual assault survivors
> are the only ones addressing sexual assault within our community, the
> center cannot hold.
> If you're into some heavier reading, you might find searching on
> 'restorative justice' and 'sexual assault' to be fruitful and quite
> On Oct 5, 2013 12:04 PM, "Andrew Byrne" <andrew at pachakutech.com> wrote:
>> As I recall, all but one sexual assault allegation this past year
>> resulted in rapid, unanimous banning without defense by any member.
>> On Oct 5, 2013 6:58 AM, "spinach williams" <spinach.williams at gmail.com>
>>> On Oct 5, 2013 12:16 AM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>> > I just want to point out that the proposal on the table to ensure that
>>> guests are accountable to the membership (and the anti-harassment policies
>>> consensed upon by same) will go a long way toward preventing these kinds of
>>> problems from happening.
>>> > If every person who comes in the door feels as though there is at
>>> least one Noisebridge Member who knows who they are, they are going to feel
>>> a lot less like they can get away with grabbing someones ass.
>>> except that our last couple of perpetrators were wellknown, incredibly
>>> welcoming, generally liked, and even defended by many of the regulars in
>>> the space, including members.
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