[Noisebridge-discuss] creating a safer environment at noisebridge

Andrew Byrne andrew at pachakutech.com
Mon Oct 7 01:12:57 UTC 2013


In sorry Rachel, my personal email to you asked if I should voluntarily
leave Noisebridge while the meditation occurred, the collective meeting
having been "meh" when I volunteered to abandon my more public commitments
to the space. I was trying to keep peace on this list while asking someone
whose opinion I respect about the best course of action going forward--and
took your response as fatwa/gospel--but see how any words from me are
dismissed as shit in your soda.

If you are fuzzy on my situation, please read this post from discuss, early
September:
https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2013-September/039090.html

I'd also like you to refrain from using sexual imagery: "douchy nozzle" in
referring to me; they way you do it is offensive as hell though not out of
character for the kind of bullying I've experienced here. I realize this
comes from an honest place, and would be glad to discuss problems anyone
has with me, particularly in a meditation, less so in a meeting.

Also, can someone describe Jesse Z? Is his pic on the 86 list?
On Oct 6, 2013 2:26 PM, "rachel lyra hospodar" <rachelyra at gmail.com> wrote:

> So for an example, as per Ron's questions and Jake's clearly related
> concerns, I will point out that one way of helping to create a safe
> environment is by you yourself, dear reader, visibly standing up to the
> objectionable behavior of asshole harasser types, even if one doesn't
> believe they should be pushed out of the community. A visible ongoing
> commitment on the part of male-identified non-asshole persons to respond
> publicly when douchenozzles resurface.... that would really go a long way
> towards creating an environment that is not conducive to douchenozzleism.
>
> I have been hearing rumors that jesse z, convicted rapist and person who
> admitted in a meeting to harassing me because he didn't think I was hacker
> enough, is back hanging out at Ye Olde Noise Bridge. I guess that means
> he's out of jail for raping that woman at Camp Tipsy. SRSLY WE BANNED THE
> GUY, BECAUSE OF THIS, SO WHY NO FANFARE FOR HIS RETURN? Remember the fact
> that he physically assaulted an older, male member of our community as
> well?
>
> My understanding of where things stand with Dru is fuzzy. I know that
> after private emails he sent to me and others, i have no interest in
> interacting with his douchey nozzle. I did some wiki searching and it seems
> that our process stalled out there. I know that he makes many folks here
> uncomfortable and, dear reader, you know this too.   So then what?  'Don't
> feed the trolls', as a philosophy, tends to perpetuate the status quo,
> folks. Ignoring douchenozzles when they talk their douchnozzlery is an
> implicit social endorsement, and is incidentally a recourse only available
> to those with privilege along whatever axis the nozzle is douching.
>
> Can someone who is not female pursue these issues with actual action? THAT
> WOULD BE A FUCKING START. If you think that ostracism isn't the solution,
> you wouldn't be the only one. That doesn't let you off the hook of engaging
> with the issue. When it's about an actual bike shed, the exhaustion at the
> end of a circular argument is almost cute. Aww, look, they gave up.  When
> it's about assault, the exhaustion at the end of a failed attempt to
> establish a community standard is a death knell for the community as it
> once was, for it heralds a stage of community development where we find
> kinder, gentler folk fleeing like rats from a burning ship. I don't mean
> that as a euphemism for women, who aren't inherently kind or gentle. I mean
> the kinder gentler folk, of all types, who aren't interested in
> monkey-status chest-banging so much as soldering, learning, and sharing.
> You know, those things Noisebridge EXISTS TO ENCOURAGE?
>
> For anyone interested in a little further light reading, I recently came
> across this which, in a way, touches on why if eg sexual assault survivors
> are the only ones addressing sexual assault within our community, the
> center cannot hold.
> http://tenureshewrote.wordpress.com/2013/09/26/dont-be-that-dude-handy-tips-for-the-male-academic/
> If you're into some heavier reading, you might find searching on
> 'restorative justice' and 'sexual assault' to be fruitful and quite
> thought-provoking.
>
> R.
>  On Oct 5, 2013 12:04 PM, "Andrew Byrne" <andrew at pachakutech.com> wrote:
>
>> As I recall, all but one sexual assault allegation this past year
>> resulted in rapid, unanimous banning without defense by any member.
>> On Oct 5, 2013 6:58 AM, "spinach williams" <spinach.williams at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Oct 5, 2013 12:16 AM, "Jake" <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>> > I just want to point out that the proposal on the table to ensure that
>>> guests are accountable to the membership (and the anti-harassment policies
>>> consensed upon by same) will go a long way toward preventing these kinds of
>>> problems from happening.
>>> >
>>> > If every person who comes in the door feels as though there is at
>>> least one Noisebridge Member who knows who they are, they are going to feel
>>> a lot less like they can get away with grabbing someones ass.
>>>
>>> except that our last couple of perpetrators were wellknown, incredibly
>>> welcoming, generally liked, and even defended by many of the regulars in
>>> the space, including members.
>>>
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