[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update

Praveen Sinha dmhomee at gmail.com
Wed Apr 2 20:07:21 UTC 2014

I would totally be cool with Frantisek living at the space for stints.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Frantisek lived at the space for several months. A lot of people knew
> about it, but no one wanted to say anything. The very same day that I
> publicly brought it up, the folks at the weekly meeting decided that it was
> unexcellent and he should stop.
> The reason Frantisek never asked anyone and tried to keep it on the down
> low was that because he knew people would say no. It's not like he said,
> "Hey can I live in the DJ booth rent-free if I clean up around the space?"
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM, immonad <immonad at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What about the present "residents" who may be there virtually all the
>> time?
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Johny Radio
>> Date:04/02/2014 10:15 AM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Ceren Ercen ,Jeffrey Carl Faden
>> Cc: Frantisek Apfelbeck ,NoiseBridge Discuss
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update
>> Some of the best nb hackers have slept at nb once or twice.
>> Nb has only ITSELF to blame. When you open the door to all comers, don't
>> be shocked at their behavior.
>> ------ Original Message ------
>> From: "Ceren Ercen" <ceren at ercen.com>
>> To: "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "Frantisek Apfelbeck" <algoldor at yahoo.com>; "NoiseBridge Discuss" <
>> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>> Sent: 4/2/2014 8:53:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update
>> Seriously.
>> Frantisek, you covertly squatted in the NB space, and got all
>> apology-tastic when you got caught.
>> You should have the sense and humility to recuse yourself from all topics
>> that are addressing the serious problem of  "how do we stop people from
>> trying to live in the space".  Even if it's your pet "I like to ferment
>> things" workspace.
>> Somehow, you don't have the clue or grace to back the fuck off. So I will
>> suggest it for you. Back away from this thread, no one read your rambling
>> email. If you're distressed, consider that it's actions like YOURS that
>> made it impossible for Noisebridge to have a pleasantly luxurious kitchen.
>> Great job.
>> - Ceren
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>>> Reminder: biotechnologist & kvasir and hacker Frantisek Algoldor
>>> Apfelbeck from Kasiri, Jeju repeatedly slept in the off-limits south
>>> stairwell at Noisebridge, so anything he has to say about proper use of
>>> facilities should be taken with a grain of salt.
>>> Jeffrey
>>>  On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <algoldor at yahoo.com
>>> > wrote:
>>>>  Hi to all,
>>>> Just few notes on the kitchen, I have run and helped to equip many
>>>> around the world and on variety of hacker events especially in last few
>>>> years under the Food Hacking Base project which the Tastebridge was a first
>>>> step I would say. It is interesting to see so many hackerspaces going
>>>> forward on biotech, food hacking and brewing with Noisebridge being one of
>>>> the forerunners with amazing set up around 2010 and 2011 and now well ...
>>>> stove - crucial. If you do not have a stove you can not cook most of
>>>> the meals and brewing is an issue for many types of beverages, also you
>>>> will have really problem to sterilize - pressure cooker works fine if you
>>>> have one. Kitchen without stove is close to not being a kitchen, biotech
>>>> applications need sterilization most of the time and heat treatment of
>>>> ingredients is often crucial (and microwave is not a cure for everything).
>>>> fridge - very important. To keep you perishable food ingredients,
>>>> cultures and of course nice cold drinks it is more or less necessity, at
>>>> least for reasonable food and beverage hacking. Kitchen without fridge is
>>>> doable but quite an issue.
>>>> preparation place - working bench if you like, crucial. Having some
>>>> space to work on is crucial especially if you want to work fast and safe.
>>>> Do not underestimate the height of the bench it hits your back if is too
>>>> low or too high. This one is really important on hands on workshops.
>>>> sinks - crucial. For keeping the place clean and the work flow
>>>> continuous sinks and preferably running water are really a key. If you do
>>>> not have it, you are in trouble. Dishwasher works too, but well sink is
>>>> sink.
>>>> storage - for dry ingredients especially. If you want to play around
>>>> you need your ingredients and they need to stored properly. Stainless steel
>>>> or glass well sealed work very well, plastic is a good cheap alternative.
>>>> Insect and rats may be an issue if they get out of hand which was a case in
>>>> the building many times so this one has to be kept in mind.
>>>> The answer to how to keep the kitchen clean is both simple and
>>>> complicated. The way which works for me and projects in which I'm involved
>>>> is to get together people who enjoy playing with food, hacking, brewing,
>>>> biotech and consuming&enjoying the products of their efforts and let them
>>>> to organize the spot, sometimes poke them a bit if the things go out of
>>>> hand. Better environment you have from the point of view of
>>>> equipment/infrastructure and funds, more likely you are to form a nice and
>>>> vibrant community around it and enjoy their achievements. Note as most of
>>>> the things in community the social interactions are really important and
>>>> preparing and sharing the meals and drinks brings together people really
>>>> well.
>>>> Best of luck with your kitchen plans, try to keep it nice and
>>>> functional, it will pay off eventually. However even if you decide to
>>>> destroy it, which I do not consider wise because it will not touch a core
>>>> of the current problem, when the time comes, it will be build again, it
>>>> will just require bit more dedicated people than if it is already standing
>>>> and ready to be used.
>>>> Sincerely from Kasiri, Jeju,
>>>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>>>> PS Just a note, yes the Noisebridge community has a major social issues
>>>> and to start to resolve them lots of time and energy from people who are
>>>> socially developed and sensitive will be needed, the question for you now
>>>> is how to get them involved and enjoy their work and being productive. 091
>>>> labs in Galway, Ireland are running for a brewing classes for a while and
>>>> it is generating lots of positive interest. Add some tech related project
>>>> like the experimental incubator build up and you can start to move the
>>>> things forward in a sound way - friendly, social and organized.
>>>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>>>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>>>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi
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