[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Wed Apr 2 20:50:28 UTC 2014


If memes and web comics are acceptable substitutes for presenting actual
information and opinion, I'd like to call dibs on Doge.

My point is, that Frantisek doing something he knows the community would
frown upon was unexcellent. I am not okay with him or anyone else squatting
at Noisebridge. Even if it was for "stints", since that seems as vague and
open for exploitation as "just need to stay for a few days" ends up turning
into much longer than a few days.


On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sigh.
>
> http://shaynegryn.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/happy_boat_007.jpg
>
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Frantisek lived at the space for several months. A lot of people knew
> about
> > it, but no one wanted to say anything. The very same day that I publicly
> > brought it up, the folks at the weekly meeting decided that it was
> > unexcellent and he should stop.
> >
> > The reason Frantisek never asked anyone and tried to keep it on the down
> low
> > was that because he knew people would say no. It's not like he said, "Hey
> > can I live in the DJ booth rent-free if I clean up around the space?"
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 12:26 PM, immonad <immonad at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> What about the present "residents" who may be there virtually all the
> >> time?
> >>
> >>
> >> -------- Original message --------
> >> From: Johny Radio
> >> Date:04/02/2014 10:15 AM (GMT-08:00)
> >> To: Ceren Ercen ,Jeffrey Carl Faden
> >> Cc: Frantisek Apfelbeck ,NoiseBridge Discuss
> >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update
> >>
> >> Some of the best nb hackers have slept at nb once or twice.
> >>
> >> Nb has only ITSELF to blame. When you open the door to all comers, don't
> >> be shocked at their behavior.
> >>
> >>
> >> ------ Original Message ------
> >> From: "Ceren Ercen" <ceren at ercen.com>
> >> To: "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: "Frantisek Apfelbeck" <algoldor at yahoo.com>; "NoiseBridge Discuss"
> >> <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
> >> Sent: 4/2/2014 8:53:41 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update
> >>
> >>
> >> Seriously.
> >>
> >> Frantisek, you covertly squatted in the NB space, and got all
> >> apology-tastic when you got caught.
> >> You should have the sense and humility to recuse yourself from all
> topics
> >> that are addressing the serious problem of  "how do we stop people from
> >> trying to live in the space".  Even if it's your pet "I like to ferment
> >> things" workspace.
> >>
> >> Somehow, you don't have the clue or grace to back the fuck off. So I
> will
> >> suggest it for you. Back away from this thread, no one read your
> rambling
> >> email. If you're distressed, consider that it's actions like YOURS that
> made
> >> it impossible for Noisebridge to have a pleasantly luxurious kitchen.
> Great
> >> job.
> >>
> >> - Ceren
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <
> jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Reminder: biotechnologist & kvasir and hacker Frantisek Algoldor
> >>> Apfelbeck from Kasiri, Jeju repeatedly slept in the off-limits south
> >>> stairwell at Noisebridge, so anything he has to say about proper use of
> >>> facilities should be taken with a grain of salt.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Jeffrey
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <
> algoldor at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi to all,
> >>>> Just few notes on the kitchen, I have run and helped to equip many
> >>>> around the world and on variety of hacker events especially in last
> few
> >>>> years under the Food Hacking Base project which the Tastebridge was a
> first
> >>>> step I would say. It is interesting to see so many hackerspaces going
> >>>> forward on biotech, food hacking and brewing with Noisebridge being
> one of
> >>>> the forerunners with amazing set up around 2010 and 2011 and now well
> ...
> >>>>
> >>>> stove - crucial. If you do not have a stove you can not cook most of
> the
> >>>> meals and brewing is an issue for many types of beverages, also you
> will
> >>>> have really problem to sterilize - pressure cooker works fine if you
> have
> >>>> one. Kitchen without stove is close to not being a kitchen, biotech
> >>>> applications need sterilization most of the time and heat treatment of
> >>>> ingredients is often crucial (and microwave is not a cure for
> everything).
> >>>>
> >>>> fridge - very important. To keep you perishable food ingredients,
> >>>> cultures and of course nice cold drinks it is more or less necessity,
> at
> >>>> least for reasonable food and beverage hacking. Kitchen without
> fridge is
> >>>> doable but quite an issue.
> >>>>
> >>>> preparation place - working bench if you like, crucial. Having some
> >>>> space to work on is crucial especially if you want to work fast and
> safe. Do
> >>>> not underestimate the height of the bench it hits your back if is too
> low or
> >>>> too high. This one is really important on hands on workshops.
> >>>>
> >>>> sinks - crucial. For keeping the place clean and the work flow
> >>>> continuous sinks and preferably running water are really a key. If
> you do
> >>>> not have it, you are in trouble. Dishwasher works too, but well sink
> is
> >>>> sink.
> >>>>
> >>>> storage - for dry ingredients especially. If you want to play around
> you
> >>>> need your ingredients and they need to stored properly. Stainless
> steel or
> >>>> glass well sealed work very well, plastic is a good cheap alternative.
> >>>> Insect and rats may be an issue if they get out of hand which was a
> case in
> >>>> the building many times so this one has to be kept in mind.
> >>>>
> >>>> The answer to how to keep the kitchen clean is both simple and
> >>>> complicated. The way which works for me and projects in which I'm
> involved
> >>>> is to get together people who enjoy playing with food, hacking,
> brewing,
> >>>> biotech and consuming&enjoying the products of their efforts and let
> them to
> >>>> organize the spot, sometimes poke them a bit if the things go out of
> hand.
> >>>> Better environment you have from the point of view of
> >>>> equipment/infrastructure and funds, more likely you are to form a
> nice and
> >>>> vibrant community around it and enjoy their achievements. Note as
> most of
> >>>> the things in community the social interactions are really important
> and
> >>>> preparing and sharing the meals and drinks brings together people
> really
> >>>> well.
> >>>>
> >>>> Best of luck with your kitchen plans, try to keep it nice and
> >>>> functional, it will pay off eventually. However even if you decide to
> >>>> destroy it, which I do not consider wise because it will not touch a
> core of
> >>>> the current problem, when the time comes, it will be build again, it
> will
> >>>> just require bit more dedicated people than if it is already standing
> and
> >>>> ready to be used.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sincerely from Kasiri, Jeju,
> >>>>
> >>>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
> >>>>
> >>>> PS Just a note, yes the Noisebridge community has a major social
> issues
> >>>> and to start to resolve them lots of time and energy from people who
> are
> >>>> socially developed and sensitive will be needed, the question for you
> now is
> >>>> how to get them involved and enjoy their work and being productive.
> 091 labs
> >>>> in Galway, Ireland are running for a brewing classes for a while and
> it is
> >>>> generating lots of positive interest. Add some tech related project
> like the
> >>>> experimental incubator build up and you can start to move the things
> forward
> >>>> in a sound way - friendly, social and organized.
> >>>>
> >>>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand
> Gandhi
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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