[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Wed Apr 2 23:39:37 UTC 2014

No, I'm not okay with "just need to stay for a few days" because "just need
to stay for a few days" is never just "just need to stay for a few days".

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:36 PM, immonad <immonad at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The stove was never to docractic decision.  It was never condensed.  Why
> make it so?  Why so many against making rules and growing bureaucracy now
> want to make this an exception?
> How many times has this come up?  Someone always steps up to say they will
> make sure the problems will not persist.   How long has that ever held true?
> You have read Diana's last post.  Burn out, all too common a reason for
> losing fine people.  This was after being stopped from dismantling the
> kitchen by a group who lives at NB.   Despite all the posts supporting this
> action almost nobody actually stepped up when it was happening.
> I did and for that was asked to leave NB to which I complied.
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Hannah Grimm
> Date:04/02/2014 12:18 PM (GMT-08:00)
> To: daravinne
> Cc: Frantisek Apfelbeck ,NoiseBridge Discuss
> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update
> I vote we get rid of the stove and instead get an autoclave.  Autoclaves
> are no good for cooking meals, but GREAT for fermenting or sterilizing
> things.
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:26 AM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>>  when i first started doing 5mof a few years ago, part of the ritual was
>> getting there from work and taking a nap in a comfy chair before i started
>> doing event-related stuff.
>> frantisek was one of the first people i ever encountered at the space and
>> his implementation of tastebridge was focused and well-run.  i didn't
>> really see it as a problem that he was living at the space, since i noticed
>> that after he was ejected, less productive and helpful people replaced him,
>> and the overall cleanliness and good working order of the space declined.
>> him being there most of the time was a great benefit to the space, because
>> he did genuinely care about the state of the space he was using and made up
>> his use of resources by providing the intangible service of near-constant
>> management.  i do read all his emails, and i agree with praveen that his
>> insights are valuable, possibly more so than other people who are currently
>> overseas and continue to post to the list.
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>  Some of the best nb hackers have slept at nb once or twice.
>>> Nb has only ITSELF to blame. When you open the door to all comers, don't
>>> be shocked at their behavior.
>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>> From: "Ceren Ercen" <ceren at ercen.com>
>>> To: "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>>> Cc: "Frantisek Apfelbeck" <algoldor at yahoo.com>; "NoiseBridge Discuss" <
>>> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>> Sent: 4/2/2014 8:53:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update
>>> Seriously.
>>> Frantisek, you covertly squatted in the NB space, and got all
>>> apology-tastic when you got caught.
>>> You should have the sense and humility to recuse yourself from all
>>> topics that are addressing the serious problem of  "how do we stop people
>>> from trying to live in the space".  Even if it's your pet "I like to
>>> ferment things" workspace.
>>> Somehow, you don't have the clue or grace to back the fuck off. So I
>>> will suggest it for you. Back away from this thread, no one read your
>>> rambling email. If you're distressed, consider that it's actions like YOURS
>>> that made it impossible for Noisebridge to have a pleasantly luxurious
>>> kitchen. Great job.
>>> - Ceren
>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <
>>> jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Reminder: biotechnologist & kvasir and hacker Frantisek Algoldor
>>>> Apfelbeck from Kasiri, Jeju repeatedly slept in the off-limits south
>>>> stairwell at Noisebridge, so anything he has to say about proper use of
>>>> facilities should be taken with a grain of salt.
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>  On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <
>>>> algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>  Hi to all,
>>>>> Just few notes on the kitchen, I have run and helped to equip many
>>>>> around the world and on variety of hacker events especially in last few
>>>>> years under the Food Hacking Base project which the Tastebridge was a first
>>>>> step I would say. It is interesting to see so many hackerspaces going
>>>>> forward on biotech, food hacking and brewing with Noisebridge being one of
>>>>> the forerunners with amazing set up around 2010 and 2011 and now well ...
>>>>> stove - crucial. If you do not have a stove you can not cook most of
>>>>> the meals and brewing is an issue for many types of beverages, also you
>>>>> will have really problem to sterilize - pressure cooker works fine if you
>>>>> have one. Kitchen without stove is close to not being a kitchen, biotech
>>>>> applications need sterilization most of the time and heat treatment of
>>>>> ingredients is often crucial (and microwave is not a cure for everything).
>>>>> fridge - very important. To keep you perishable food ingredients,
>>>>> cultures and of course nice cold drinks it is more or less necessity, at
>>>>> least for reasonable food and beverage hacking. Kitchen without fridge is
>>>>> doable but quite an issue.
>>>>> preparation place - working bench if you like, crucial. Having some
>>>>> space to work on is crucial especially if you want to work fast and safe.
>>>>> Do not underestimate the height of the bench it hits your back if is too
>>>>> low or too high. This one is really important on hands on workshops.
>>>>> sinks - crucial. For keeping the place clean and the work flow
>>>>> continuous sinks and preferably running water are really a key. If you do
>>>>> not have it, you are in trouble. Dishwasher works too, but well sink is
>>>>> sink.
>>>>> storage - for dry ingredients especially. If you want to play around
>>>>> you need your ingredients and they need to stored properly. Stainless steel
>>>>> or glass well sealed work very well, plastic is a good cheap alternative.
>>>>> Insect and rats may be an issue if they get out of hand which was a case in
>>>>> the building many times so this one has to be kept in mind.
>>>>> The answer to how to keep the kitchen clean is both simple and
>>>>> complicated. The way which works for me and projects in which I'm involved
>>>>> is to get together people who enjoy playing with food, hacking, brewing,
>>>>> biotech and consuming&enjoying the products of their efforts and let them
>>>>> to organize the spot, sometimes poke them a bit if the things go out of
>>>>> hand. Better environment you have from the point of view of
>>>>> equipment/infrastructure and funds, more likely you are to form a nice and
>>>>> vibrant community around it and enjoy their achievements. Note as most of
>>>>> the things in community the social interactions are really important and
>>>>> preparing and sharing the meals and drinks brings together people really
>>>>> well.
>>>>> Best of luck with your kitchen plans, try to keep it nice and
>>>>> functional, it will pay off eventually. However even if you decide to
>>>>> destroy it, which I do not consider wise because it will not touch a core
>>>>> of the current problem, when the time comes, it will be build again, it
>>>>> will just require bit more dedicated people than if it is already standing
>>>>> and ready to be used.
>>>>> Sincerely from Kasiri, Jeju,
>>>>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>>>>> PS Just a note, yes the Noisebridge community has a major social
>>>>> issues and to start to resolve them lots of time and energy from people who
>>>>> are socially developed and sensitive will be needed, the question for you
>>>>> now is how to get them involved and enjoy their work and being productive.
>>>>> 091 labs in Galway, Ireland are running for a brewing classes for a while
>>>>> and it is generating lots of positive interest. Add some tech related
>>>>> project like the experimental incubator build up and you can start to move
>>>>> the things forward in a sound way - friendly, social and organized.
>>>>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>>>>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>>>>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand
>>>>> Gandhi
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