[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update

Curtis Gagliardi gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com
Thu Apr 3 00:03:22 UTC 2014

I'm against staying for a few days even if it actually was stay for a few
days because I don't want to feel like I'm visiting someone's home when I
go to noisebridge.

On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 4:39 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> No, I'm not okay with "just need to stay for a few days" because "just
> need to stay for a few days" is never just "just need to stay for a few
> days".
> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 3:36 PM, immonad <immonad at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> The stove was never to docractic decision.  It was never condensed.  Why
>> make it so?  Why so many against making rules and growing bureaucracy now
>> want to make this an exception?
>> How many times has this come up?  Someone always steps up to say they
>> will make sure the problems will not persist.   How long has that ever held
>> true?
>> You have read Diana's last post.  Burn out, all too common a reason for
>> losing fine people.  This was after being stopped from dismantling the
>> kitchen by a group who lives at NB.   Despite all the posts supporting this
>> action almost nobody actually stepped up when it was happening.
>> I did and for that was asked to leave NB to which I complied.
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Hannah Grimm
>> Date:04/02/2014 12:18 PM (GMT-08:00)
>> To: daravinne
>> Cc: Frantisek Apfelbeck ,NoiseBridge Discuss
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update
>> I vote we get rid of the stove and instead get an autoclave.  Autoclaves
>> are no good for cooking meals, but GREAT for fermenting or sterilizing
>> things.
>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:26 AM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>  when i first started doing 5mof a few years ago, part of the ritual
>>> was getting there from work and taking a nap in a comfy chair before i
>>> started doing event-related stuff.
>>> frantisek was one of the first people i ever encountered at the space
>>> and his implementation of tastebridge was focused and well-run.  i didn't
>>> really see it as a problem that he was living at the space, since i noticed
>>> that after he was ejected, less productive and helpful people replaced him,
>>> and the overall cleanliness and good working order of the space declined.
>>> him being there most of the time was a great benefit to the space, because
>>> he did genuinely care about the state of the space he was using and made up
>>> his use of resources by providing the intangible service of near-constant
>>> management.  i do read all his emails, and i agree with praveen that his
>>> insights are valuable, possibly more so than other people who are currently
>>> overseas and continue to post to the list.
>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 10:15 AM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>  Some of the best nb hackers have slept at nb once or twice.
>>>> Nb has only ITSELF to blame. When you open the door to all comers,
>>>> don't be shocked at their behavior.
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Ceren Ercen" <ceren at ercen.com>
>>>> To: "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>>>> Cc: "Frantisek Apfelbeck" <algoldor at yahoo.com>; "NoiseBridge Discuss" <
>>>> noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>>> Sent: 4/2/2014 8:53:41 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space, update
>>>> Seriously.
>>>> Frantisek, you covertly squatted in the NB space, and got all
>>>> apology-tastic when you got caught.
>>>> You should have the sense and humility to recuse yourself from all
>>>> topics that are addressing the serious problem of  "how do we stop people
>>>> from trying to live in the space".  Even if it's your pet "I like to
>>>> ferment things" workspace.
>>>> Somehow, you don't have the clue or grace to back the fuck off. So I
>>>> will suggest it for you. Back away from this thread, no one read your
>>>> rambling email. If you're distressed, consider that it's actions like YOURS
>>>> that made it impossible for Noisebridge to have a pleasantly luxurious
>>>> kitchen. Great job.
>>>> - Ceren
>>>> On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <
>>>> jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Reminder: biotechnologist & kvasir and hacker Frantisek Algoldor
>>>>> Apfelbeck from Kasiri, Jeju repeatedly slept in the off-limits south
>>>>> stairwell at Noisebridge, so anything he has to say about proper use of
>>>>> facilities should be taken with a grain of salt.
>>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>>  On Wed, Apr 2, 2014 at 5:55 AM, Frantisek Apfelbeck <
>>>>> algoldor at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>  Hi to all,
>>>>>> Just few notes on the kitchen, I have run and helped to equip many
>>>>>> around the world and on variety of hacker events especially in last few
>>>>>> years under the Food Hacking Base project which the Tastebridge was a first
>>>>>> step I would say. It is interesting to see so many hackerspaces going
>>>>>> forward on biotech, food hacking and brewing with Noisebridge being one of
>>>>>> the forerunners with amazing set up around 2010 and 2011 and now well ...
>>>>>> stove - crucial. If you do not have a stove you can not cook most of
>>>>>> the meals and brewing is an issue for many types of beverages, also you
>>>>>> will have really problem to sterilize - pressure cooker works fine if you
>>>>>> have one. Kitchen without stove is close to not being a kitchen, biotech
>>>>>> applications need sterilization most of the time and heat treatment of
>>>>>> ingredients is often crucial (and microwave is not a cure for everything).
>>>>>> fridge - very important. To keep you perishable food ingredients,
>>>>>> cultures and of course nice cold drinks it is more or less necessity, at
>>>>>> least for reasonable food and beverage hacking. Kitchen without fridge is
>>>>>> doable but quite an issue.
>>>>>> preparation place - working bench if you like, crucial. Having some
>>>>>> space to work on is crucial especially if you want to work fast and safe.
>>>>>> Do not underestimate the height of the bench it hits your back if is too
>>>>>> low or too high. This one is really important on hands on workshops.
>>>>>> sinks - crucial. For keeping the place clean and the work flow
>>>>>> continuous sinks and preferably running water are really a key. If you do
>>>>>> not have it, you are in trouble. Dishwasher works too, but well sink is
>>>>>> sink.
>>>>>> storage - for dry ingredients especially. If you want to play around
>>>>>> you need your ingredients and they need to stored properly. Stainless steel
>>>>>> or glass well sealed work very well, plastic is a good cheap alternative.
>>>>>> Insect and rats may be an issue if they get out of hand which was a case in
>>>>>> the building many times so this one has to be kept in mind.
>>>>>> The answer to how to keep the kitchen clean is both simple and
>>>>>> complicated. The way which works for me and projects in which I'm involved
>>>>>> is to get together people who enjoy playing with food, hacking, brewing,
>>>>>> biotech and consuming&enjoying the products of their efforts and let them
>>>>>> to organize the spot, sometimes poke them a bit if the things go out of
>>>>>> hand. Better environment you have from the point of view of
>>>>>> equipment/infrastructure and funds, more likely you are to form a nice and
>>>>>> vibrant community around it and enjoy their achievements. Note as most of
>>>>>> the things in community the social interactions are really important and
>>>>>> preparing and sharing the meals and drinks brings together people really
>>>>>> well.
>>>>>> Best of luck with your kitchen plans, try to keep it nice and
>>>>>> functional, it will pay off eventually. However even if you decide to
>>>>>> destroy it, which I do not consider wise because it will not touch a core
>>>>>> of the current problem, when the time comes, it will be build again, it
>>>>>> will just require bit more dedicated people than if it is already standing
>>>>>> and ready to be used.
>>>>>> Sincerely from Kasiri, Jeju,
>>>>>> Frantisek Algoldor Apfelbeck
>>>>>> PS Just a note, yes the Noisebridge community has a major social
>>>>>> issues and to start to resolve them lots of time and energy from people who
>>>>>> are socially developed and sensitive will be needed, the question for you
>>>>>> now is how to get them involved and enjoy their work and being productive.
>>>>>> 091 labs in Galway, Ireland are running for a brewing classes for a while
>>>>>> and it is generating lots of positive interest. Add some tech related
>>>>>> project like the experimental incubator build up and you can start to move
>>>>>> the things forward in a sound way - friendly, social and organized.
>>>>>> biotechnologist&kvasir and hacker
>>>>>> http://www.frantisekapfelbeck.org
>>>>>> "There is no way to peace, peace is the way." Mohandas Karamchand
>>>>>> Gandhi
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