[Noisebridge-discuss] Cooking in the space

Brandon Edens brandonedens at gmail.com
Sat Apr 5 02:04:36 UTC 2014


The Hacker Ethic

1. Access to computers - and anything which might teach you something about the
way the world works - should be unlimited and total. Always yield to the
Hands-On imperative!

2. All information should be free.

3. Mistrust authority - promote decentralization.

4. Hackers should be judged by their hacking, not bogus criteria such as
degrees, age, race, or position.

5. You can create art and beauty on a computer.

6. Computers can change your life for the better.


On Fri, Apr 04, 2014 at 07:13:31PM +0000, openfly wrote:

> Naomi is asking the big question.  The MOST important question facing noisebridge today.
> 
> "Who is a hacker?"
> 
> The problem noisebridge has is that there are folks taking advantage of it.  There is a
> belief that the originally vague mission of noisebridge is no longer up to the task of
> furthering the goal of being a 'hackerspace'.  And there are folks who want to perform
> major policy updates to the mission and general structure of noisebridge.  At the heart
> of all of this is this one simple question.
> 
> "Who is a hacker?"
> 
> And to answer this simple question, at least as far as it relates to noisebridge, is to
> answer this other question...
> 
> "What is the mission of noisebridge, today?"
> 
> Answer those two questions now.  Or you are all fucked.  And noisebridge will implode.
> 
> And these aren't simple questions.  The reality is, if you answer them right, you are
> going to lose a lot of members and piss a lot of people off.  Because what you'll be 
> doing in effect by limiting the vague scope of what noisebridge is, is telling people
> that they do not belong.  That they are no longer a part of the noisebridge community.
> And that's going to hurt.
> 
> So all this bickering about kitchens, about ban rules, about whether or not the space
> should stay open late.   All of this is dancing around the very core issue.
> 
> Many feel the mission of noisebridge has failed.  They want to redefine it.  In doing
> this, they will limit the future scope of the mission, and the community.  And that
> means... not just the folks who are leeches on the community, but contributors, and
> die hard believers will find themselves no longer welcome.  And they will fight
> bitterly to avoid that.
> 
> 
> So, as Naomi asked.  "Who is a hacker?"
> 
> What the fuck is the purpose of Noisebridge today.  And what do you want it to be
> tomorrow.  Hold no punches.  It's time to decide what the fuck you people are about.
> 
> -openfly
> 
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 04:04:30PM -0700, Naomi Most wrote:
> > Mmkay.
> > 
> > >Food Hacking, or just feeding the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.
> > 
> > Who is a hacker?
> > 
> > > Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at NB???
> > 
> > Who is "we" and do you have any suggestions for how to not "let"
> > people squat at NB?
> > 
> > --Naomi
> > 
> > 
> > On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >  New approaches=MINE... to "Kitchen Misuse" and the Squatter Gaming.
> > >
> > >
> > > Simply craft a layered approach of power/water/fridge securing methods and
> > > thence empower the Excellent Uses to be Unsullied by Unexcellent Misusers.
> > > Oh- do contemplate the additional layer of a PERMANENT BAN NEEDING SUPER
> > > MAJORITY TO LIFT for anyone tampering/disabling the lock outs... Means-
> > > yeah- you break some rules and it's _game over- no replay. A place upon the
> > > wall of Permaban for THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.  Because- a misused kitchen
> > > can burn the space down/ get the lease lifted and so on. Same with
> > > Squatters.
> > >
> > > Let Grandpa shout softly a few unpopular truths and NB might learn from my
> > > Life Experience Points...
> > >
> > > The fix vectors I am suggesting neatly could grant balance to the Excellent
> > > folks whilst providing an instrumental path to banishing the Un-excellent.
> > > Giving up the utility of a kitchen is surrender!
> > >
> > > Will we surrender one more facet of HACKING?  Food Hacking, or just feeding
> > > the HACKERS is indeed EXCELLENT CONDUCT.  I may need to repeat this a bit-
> > > NB either is a HACKERSPACE or a SHELTER- we cannot serve both paths.. If
> > > consensus wishes to murder NB on that path So be it but not by my words or
> > > deeds.
> > >
> > >   Who of us   is sanely  opposed to telling squatters that MIS-use is
> > > prohibited un-excellent conduct=a ticket OUT of NB is surrender to THEM?
> > > Really- READ the star bracketed text  several times  FOR A SANITY CHECK...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ***The folks who sweat blood and tears to keep NB alive deserve to use a
> > > Kitchen if they want to.  This ain't a class caste struggle game- it's about
> > > keeping this space alive and welcoming to honorable HACKERS. Including the
> > > Honorable HACKERS having a REAL KITCHEN instead of fracking surrendering to
> > > ANYONE. ***
> > >
> > >  I've empathy for the less fortunate and am damned mindful that many of us
> > > are one disaster away from homeless. I ain't basing my rants on any desire
> > > but THE SURVIVAL OF THE SPACE.. The Needy can be better literally served if
> > > we uplift Homo Rarely Sapient to where hunger is obsolete.
> > >
> > >  I live in Kansas City for many reasons including to NOT be a Squatter in an
> > > unafforadable city,. Why in HELL are we letting NON- HACKING FOLKS SQUAT at
> > > NB??? Fer Darwin's sake folks- Either NB is PRIMARILY A HACKERSPACE quite
> > > irrespective of Kitchen or  not... and if NB"s held as NOT for HACKING FIRST
> > > do consider that  we re-charter as "Something Else"  for reals.
> > >
> > >  ARE we going to really overtly say that Squatters get to displace
> > > HACKERS???
> > >
> > >  DO NOT__***EVER*** empower perps to make us diminish OUR capabilities!! .
> > > The kitchen should STAY for use by the Excellent Hackers.- the Misusers can
> > > Go to Nifleheim/Gehenna/dev null etc and my empathy- or situational lack of
> > > same- is based on their actions.
> > >
> > >  Please- If you wish to be the keeper of the less fortunate's larder- do so
> > > on YOUR money etc.
> > >
> > > Teal Deer: They win at gaming us to become less everytime we remove
> > > "something"  in  reactive mode- to their crap.
> > >
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> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Naomi Theora Most
> > naomi at nthmost.com
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> > 
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> > 
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