[Noisebridge-discuss] The legalities.

Kevin bfb at riseup.net
Sat Apr 5 07:00:40 UTC 2014


On April 4, 2014 9:33:16 PM PDT, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> At which point the people who use Noisebridge as a part time residence
> will
> tell you they don't reside at Noisebridge, they just "sleep-hack" or
> "rest
> their eyes".
> 
> Until you prevent people from sleeping at Noisebridge, they will
> continue
> to live at Noisebridge. Until you have some negative consequence like
> temporary or permanent bans, people will still sleep at Noisebridge.
> Until
> you get rid of consensus, Kevin will prevent any negative consequences
> for
> sleeping at Noisebridge.
> On Apr 4, 2014 11:22 AM, "B Perez" <knighty04 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hear hear! +1
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Apr 3, 2014, at 8:52 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > It has been mentioned several times that people living at NB
> violates
> > our lease. It is actually a bit more complicated. After looking up
> how 2169
> > Mission is zoned. I found that it is not zoned for residential. A
> place to
> > start looking is at
> > http://www.sf-planning.org/index.aspx?page=2771#findzoning . That is
> the
> > San Francisco Planning Department and you can find a list of
> changes,
> > permits, and even how much things cost. Our place "Appears eligible
> for
> > listing in the California Register of Historical Resources."
> > >
> > > I am NOT a lawyer so this is just a guess after looking at the
> online
> > records. I think that what they say is that floor 1 is zoned for
> food sales
> > and floors 2 and 3 are light industrial. To allow sleeping / living
> in the
> > space will at least require new permits from the, Planning Dept.,
> Fire
> > Dept., and Health Dept. as well as convincing the landlord.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure how long flogging this issue will continue, but, in
> my
> > opinion it is not up for debate. It is spelled out in both zoning
> law and
> > our lease. Our object should be how do we stop it not how much
> should we
> > allow.
> > >
> > > You are entitled to your own opinion.
> > > You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
> > >
> > > Norman
> > >
> > >
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^^ lol Al. I have never blocked a single proposal to ban someone from Noisebridge. You're welcome to persist in this fantasy as long as you like. Let's move forward with honesty, openness and empathy. 

-Kevin


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