[Noisebridge-discuss] think bigger

William Sargent will.sargent at gmail.com
Sat Apr 5 22:50:50 UTC 2014


Naomi, this is unfair.  Hannah was perfectly correct.  Praveen presented a sex act in Noisebridge out of context of a presentation of Sex and Technology, and Hannah read it as he presented it.  If there’s no warning and no discussion, then there’s no consent to being involved in those activities.

I remember people being distinctly uncomfortable with “sexy clowns” being presented at Five Minutes of Fame, and that had no actual nudity involved. 

Will.

On Apr 5, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes, I think Hannah did nail it.
> 
> She successfully demonstrated that she, as well as you, have no
> recollection of what Noisebridge culture was, and have only knee-jerk
> reactions to provide instead of actual understanding.
> 
> --Naomi
> 
> 
> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com> wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> In that, I submit that our pains have not to do with mismanagment, but
>>> that we need to grow into our next phase for an even larger and more dynamic
>>> community:  I don't know what it's going to look like or what the outcome
>>> will be, but as everyone is shuffling about in this latest re-org, I think
>>> it's important to think bigger and more radical and more creative and more
>>> inclusive.  As a hackerspace, we can go in directions no other space or
>>> collective on the planet is capable of at the moment.  Keep it mind as we
>>> fight our battles, whatever side of drama you wind up on.
>> 
>> Hannah wrote:
>>> Praveen, this is not as simple as an issue of "inclusion" and a happy little
>>> collective.  The truth of the matter is that when you include some people,
>>> you cause others to feel threatened & unsafe and thereby exclude them.
>>> People who are high at Noisebridge tend to cross boundaries, and one of
>>> those boundaries is often the bodily autonomy of women at the space.  San
>>> Francisco is full of places where people can go to see folks screw in
>>> public, Noisebridge does not need to be one of them.  If you want to display
>>> your bondage technology, go to Wicked Grounds!  If you want to get high in
>>> public, go to Dolores Park!  The place full of collectively owned powertools
>>> is not the correct venue for those activities.
>> 
>> 
>> I think Hannah pretty much nailed it.
>> 
>> 
>> I think that Noisebridge is a hackerspace, and our stated goal is to
>> be a place where diverse sorts of people feel safe and comfortable
>> working on and talking about their technical-creative projects. I'm
>> quite certain that other things can happen at Noisebridge; many do.
>> When we're thinking about another activity, considering whether it's a
>> good fit for Noisebridge, the most important question we should ask
>> is:
>> 
>>> "Does this enable or interfere with Noisebridge as place where diverse sorts
>>> of people feel safe and comfortable working on and talking about their technical-
>>> -creative projects.?"
>> 
>> Our answer to this question should be the most important factor in
>> determining what to do. If there's something that makes people feel
>> *less* safe and comfortable, or makes it *harder* to work on
>> technical-creative projects, we should recognise that -- although this
>> activity may be totally reasonable in general -- Noisebridge isn't the
>> place for it.
>> 
>> Hugs & kisses,
>> -Tom
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