[Noisebridge-discuss] think bigger

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Sat Apr 5 22:55:02 UTC 2014


Actually, I think Hannah was unfair.  Rather than try to find out what
the context was, she immediately moved to criticize it.

--Naomi


On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:50 PM, William Sargent <will.sargent at gmail.com> wrote:
> Naomi, this is unfair.  Hannah was perfectly correct.  Praveen presented a sex act in Noisebridge out of context of a presentation of Sex and Technology, and Hannah read it as he presented it.  If there's no warning and no discussion, then there's no consent to being involved in those activities.
>
> I remember people being distinctly uncomfortable with "sexy clowns" being presented at Five Minutes of Fame, and that had no actual nudity involved.
>
> Will.
>
> On Apr 5, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I think Hannah did nail it.
>>
>> She successfully demonstrated that she, as well as you, have no
>> recollection of what Noisebridge culture was, and have only knee-jerk
>> reactions to provide instead of actual understanding.
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com> wrote:
>>> On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> In that, I submit that our pains have not to do with mismanagment, but
>>>> that we need to grow into our next phase for an even larger and more dynamic
>>>> community:  I don't know what it's going to look like or what the outcome
>>>> will be, but as everyone is shuffling about in this latest re-org, I think
>>>> it's important to think bigger and more radical and more creative and more
>>>> inclusive.  As a hackerspace, we can go in directions no other space or
>>>> collective on the planet is capable of at the moment.  Keep it mind as we
>>>> fight our battles, whatever side of drama you wind up on.
>>>
>>> Hannah wrote:
>>>> Praveen, this is not as simple as an issue of "inclusion" and a happy little
>>>> collective.  The truth of the matter is that when you include some people,
>>>> you cause others to feel threatened & unsafe and thereby exclude them.
>>>> People who are high at Noisebridge tend to cross boundaries, and one of
>>>> those boundaries is often the bodily autonomy of women at the space.  San
>>>> Francisco is full of places where people can go to see folks screw in
>>>> public, Noisebridge does not need to be one of them.  If you want to display
>>>> your bondage technology, go to Wicked Grounds!  If you want to get high in
>>>> public, go to Dolores Park!  The place full of collectively owned powertools
>>>> is not the correct venue for those activities.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think Hannah pretty much nailed it.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think that Noisebridge is a hackerspace, and our stated goal is to
>>> be a place where diverse sorts of people feel safe and comfortable
>>> working on and talking about their technical-creative projects. I'm
>>> quite certain that other things can happen at Noisebridge; many do.
>>> When we're thinking about another activity, considering whether it's a
>>> good fit for Noisebridge, the most important question we should ask
>>> is:
>>>
>>>> "Does this enable or interfere with Noisebridge as place where diverse sorts
>>>> of people feel safe and comfortable working on and talking about their technical-
>>>> -creative projects.?"
>>>
>>> Our answer to this question should be the most important factor in
>>> determining what to do. If there's something that makes people feel
>>> *less* safe and comfortable, or makes it *harder* to work on
>>> technical-creative projects, we should recognise that -- although this
>>> activity may be totally reasonable in general -- Noisebridge isn't the
>>> place for it.
>>>
>>> Hugs & kisses,
>>> -Tom
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>>
>>
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