[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: how Noisebridge could improve

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Fri Apr 11 21:17:28 UTC 2014


That's a romantic idea, but in practicality it's a fragile arrangement.

Whatever you think of having people live in the space (for, against,
"it's complicated"), whether we are zoned for live-work or not, I'm
sure anyone reading this can think of a dozen different reasons why
reliance on a single person's motivations is not a long-term solution
for anything at Noisebridge.

Not that you were suggesting so, Christoph.  I am just taking the
opportunity to make the point.

On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 12:41 PM, Christoph Maier
<christoph.maier at ieee.org> wrote:
> After running into Frantisek at Seoul Hackerspace, I imagine how Frantisek,
> as trusted squatter-in-residence, would improve both friendliness and
> security of a hackerspace. But some <expletive deleted> tore out half the
> kitchen.
>
> On Apr 11, 2014 7:58 AM, "Naomi Most" <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Addendum:
>>
>> Our lack of security can also be chalked up to a failure of imagination.
>>
>> Oh, I know we've imagined things, but largely they have been along the
>> lines of doing one or two individual things, which really could not
>> work on their own because of the limitedness of their scope and/or the
>> unfeasibility of the resources (e.g. humans) needed to perpetuate
>> them.
>>
>> We have never totally imagined the security of the space as a system.
>>
>> Please don't take me to mean that security is hopeless.  I mean mostly
>> to say that at Noisebridge it is Very Hard.
>>
>> Larger post coming soon.
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com>
>> Date: Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: how Noisebridge could improve
>> To: Noisebridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>
>>
>> So, I want to offer this perhaps sobering bit of truth about
>> Noisebridge: it has /never/ been a safe place to leave your stuff.
>>
>> I have had things stolen from me at Noisebridge since NB epoch.  Yes,
>> that's unexcellent.  I'm not going to put a "but" on that fact.  It
>> just is.
>>
>> In the future, maybe Noisebridge CAN become the sort of place you
>> envision, but -- to be very honest -- because Noisebridge was not
>> designed with that kind of security in mind, and has never had that
>> kind of security (except basically by accident), it does not seem very
>> likely.
>>
>> You know what was a good solution?  The lockers that Al graciously
>> bought and installed for us.
>>
>> If anyone needs one, they can use #22, which is mine, for free.  Email
>> me off-list for the code.
>>
>> I think it's time to be up-front about what we do and don't expect
>> Noisebridge to be.
>>
>> As a mother, for example, I do not expect Noisebridge to ever be a
>> safe place for my 3-year-old child.  I just don't.  I can bring my
>> child there on occasion, but it's not a playroom for little kids.
>> *shrug*
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 11, 2014 at 5:48 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > There was a message from Norman (aka pryankster) in the moderation
>> > queue (which I have now turned off).   The only thing I changed is the
>> > email subject.
>> >
>> >
>> > Original message:
>> > ---
>> > After reading openfly's ramble I thought I should finally post this.
>> >
>> > I don't get to Noisebridge much anymore and this is why. At the basic
>> > level I feel safer out on Mission than I feel at Noisebridge. There are
>> > a couple of reasons, 1. out on the street I can usually see danger
>> > approaching and avoid it and 2. at Noisebridge it just isn't safe.
>> >
>> > I started showing up at NB because it felt like a good place to interact
>> > with other folks that understand, Scientific, Mathematical, and
>> > Technical things. Where we could help each other out with knowledge
>> > sharing. With a few notable exceptions if I try to talk "Tech" folks I
>> > am now usually met with blank stares.
>> >
>> > I think that NB should be a place where if you leave your stuff to go to
>> > the restroom or down stairs for a snack it is there when you come back.
>> > If you forget something it is put in Lost & Found and remains there
>> > until you claim it. It should NOT be as it is where if I get up to give
>> > some new people a tour things are missing when I come back.
>> >
>> > You are entitled to your own opinion.
>> > You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>> > Norman
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
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>>
>>
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