[Noisebridge-discuss] reasoning about the kitchen

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Tue Apr 15 20:55:19 UTC 2014


Who is shouting and/or posturing?

You're right, Cynthia and several others who are important in this
discussion are not on the mailing list.

That is an identified problem.  Do you have any suggestions for
keeping asynchronous discussions going with people who are not on the
mailing list, won't sign up for Slack, and won't use IRC?

I'm all ears and eyes.  I do not want to leave people out of
discussions, but I cannot fathom how Noisebridge can progress as an
organization in an environment of requiring people to be on-site at
the same physical space and time.

--Naomi


On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Norman Bradley <pryankster at gmail.com> wrote:
> With all of the shouting and posturing there is a person that is not here on
> the list. Cynthia washes dishes and on occasion helps cook stuff.
>
> When I showed up on Monday she was washing dishes and cleaning up the place.
>
> Oh also using one of our public computers close by the kitchen.
>
> I don't think she is on this or another list.
>
> You are entitled to your own opinion.
> You are NOT entitled to your own facts.
>
> Norman
>
>
> On 4/14/2014 3:07 PM, Naomi Most wrote:
>>
>> Here is how I came to the conclusion that we should issue an ultimatum
>> for cleaning up the kichen.
>>
>> (I don't care how we got to the situation we're in, and none of the
>> following should be read as implying blame.)
>>
>> Read each point as a statement of fact, but please debate me on
>> individual points if they seem incorrect.
>>
>> 1. Noisebridge's core mission has nothing whatsoever to do with the
>> presence of a kitchen.
>>
>> 2. The kitchen has been stochastically maintained whilst being nearly
>> constantly used.
>>
>> 3. The usage of the kitchen has been largely by those who don't
>> understand the health hazards of misusing a shared community kitchen.
>>
>> (again: please don't read blame into these statements. it doesn't
>> matter "who", it only matters "what".)
>>
>> 4. Because of (2) and (3), the kitchen has become a health hazard.
>> (Many health hazards: mold, vermin, cross-contamination, etc)
>>
>> 5. There are many people who love having a kitchen.
>>
>> 6. There are many people who dislike or don't care about having a kitchen.
>>
>> 7. Those belonging to (6) mostly want to see the kitchen removed.
>>
>> 8. Those belonging to (5) mostly want to keep the kitchen.
>>
>> 9. Health hazards are Bad.  Like, "harassment" Bad.  Like, someone
>> could get a bad disease Bad.
>>
>> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:
>>
>> 10. Those belonging to (5) ought to be putting work into making the
>> kitchen NOT a health hazard.  The onus falls on the group who uses the
>> space to do something about it.
>>
>> 11. Those belonging to (5) have thus far not shown initiative in
>> protecting the resource.
>>
>> ERGO, in the spirit of do-ocracy:
>>
>> 12. Those belonging to (6) ought to incentivize those belonging to (5)
>> to hurry up and do something about it.
>>
>> OK, does that make sense?
>>
>> This isn't about any authority trying to step in and "punish" people.
>>
>> This is about making it clear that if people want a thing to exist at
>> Noisebridge -- particular one that is fairly peripheral to what
>> Noisebridge is about -- they should take care of it.
>>
>> I have suggested that this group form a "kitchen working group" to sort it
>> out.
>>
>> If it can't be sorted out, I don't think it's unreasonable for those
>> who don't care about having a kitchen but are worried about the health
>> hazards of the kitchen to do-ocratically dismantle it.
>>
>> Thanks for reading.
>>
>> --Naomi
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