[Noisebridge-discuss] Ban is unjust, being alienated, should be discussed at a Tuesday meeting with me present!

Harry Moreno morenoh149 at gmail.com
Mon Dec 22 05:43:32 UTC 2014


I would also be wary of making any longterm decisions at this weeks
meeting. Seeing as so many core members are not around. See
https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Gate_keepers

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:04 PM, Torrie Fischer <tdfischer at hackerbots.net>
wrote:

> I'm strongly opposed to discussing this at a Tuesday meeting. Literally any
> other time, like maybe a SSWG meeting on Monday would be good, but if this
> is
> going to be discussed on a Tuesday, I've got other places to be.
>
> On Sunday, December 21, 2014 02:05:05 PM Robert Chu wrote:
> >  Hello Noisebridge Community at Large,
> >
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/86
> >
> > "Was caught living on top of the building's elevator in February-2014,
> and
> > was banned for 6 months as a warning. He was caught living in the space
> > again in December-2014. His health problems make it impossible to trust
> > what he will or not do in the future, since he is not taking care of
> > himself, and he has become severely disruptive to the Noisebridge
> > community. Rayc is no longer allowed in Noisebridge."
> >
> > This is wrong and I want to discuss this at a Tuesday night meeting.
> >
> > I was never living in the space in December. I did spend some nights over
> > night because A) No one gave me a key so I couldn't come in the morning
> to
> > start early work regularly B) let the electricians in at a reasonable
> hour
> > C) Because there were hackers actually hacking at night on projects, and
> > had taken the role of being responsible for NB while they were there.
>
> A) I offered RAYC a key at least a week before any of this happened and you
> turned me down. I'm pretty sure that you hadn't approached anyone else
> about
> getting a key either. You've been participating in Noisebridge for many
> years
> by now, and he should know it isn't everyone else's responsibility to read
> minds and know who wants a key. Speak up and ask for one; don't foist this
> feeling of resentment on us, please <3
>
> B) I gave Neil an upstairs key when him and I were in the space at the same
> time. I don't think it was really communicated that he didn't get a new key
> when the lock was changed so it fell into our collective bin of "someone
> else's problem".
>
> Normally I fight hard to keep interpersonal conflict off of the mailing
> lists and
> even out of the tuesday meetings, so I won't continue discussion about this
> here. However, I'm totally not wanting to deal with this at all right now
> so
> feel free to throw this subject at the mailing list until it sticks. Thats
> a
> great idea and I can in no way see anyone ever getting really tired of it
> and
> leaving Noisebridge because they just don't want to deal with crap that
> really
> has nothing to do with them.
>
> This ain't about living at the space. Its not about who does and doesn't
> get
> access. Its about RAYC becoming a massive time sink for everyone when we
> just
> want to shut up and hack. Discussing whether or not he was living in the
> space
> will not cause folks to see him as less of a time-sink. Quite the opposite
> really, since now folks have to read these diatribes on discuss@ and
> figure out
> whether or not its something legitimate to add. It would've been great to
> discuss keeping Noisebridge open while we're gone a bit more, but whenever
> the
> topic came up RAYC's obsessive thoughts about the seekrit nosebridge cabal
> reared its head and we had to deal with that if any productive discussion
> was
> to ever be had.
>
> I now present to you the comprehensive list of things that will get RAYC
> unbanned from noisebridge:
>
> * RAYC proves over the next decade that he's no longer a time-sink for
> Noisebridge
>
> Its vague, but thats it. Sorry if anyone thought this could be lawyered
> out by
> finding a loophole in policies or language or something.
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