[Noisebridge-discuss] History of my member page on the wiki

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Sat Feb 1 01:38:23 UTC 2014

On a related note: This is a perfect example of how consensus stifles
debate & communication instead of encouraging it: Leif didn't even have to
block, he just had to say he would. That's enough to cause someone to
quietly withdraw their proposal and no one else would ever know about.


On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> Point of fact: Leif never blocked his membership. Ron withdrew it.
> Three people asked Leif why he said he'd block his membership; apparently
> they disagreed with his "Ron is a troll" accusation and probably thought he
> would be fine for membership.
> I don't think Ron forgot it, but I can see why you are asking if he did:
> it's a two year old accusation.
> -Al
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 5:03 PM, bfb <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
>> Omitting this information from discussion is classical "not on good
>> faith". Ron, did you forget that Leif had blocked your membership?
>> -Kevin
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Al Sweigart
>> Date:01/30/2014 09:47 (GMT-08:00)
>> To: Leif Ryge
>> Cc: NoiseBridge Discuss
>> Subject: Re: [Noisebridge-discuss] History of my member page on the wiki
>> That was years ago, Leif. You're not exactly up on current events at
>> Noisebridge. https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Meeting_Notes_2014_01_28
>> On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 4:47 AM, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 07:53:01PM -0800, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>>> > I have no idea who changed it but my membership was never blocked.
>>>  [...]
>>> Huh? How can you say your membership was never blocked? We had a
>>> conversation
>>> about why I wasn't comfortable with you being a member, which resulted
>>> in you
>>> withdrawing your membership application. I'm quite certain that you
>>> interpreted
>>> this conversation (as I did) as me blocking your membership, because at
>>> least 3
>>> other people asked me later why I'd blocked your membership.
>>> My primary reason for blocking your membership, as you'll recall, was
>>> that I
>>> believe your participation in Noisebridge meetings and discussions is
>>> largely
>>> disingenuous and "for the lulz" (read: you're a troll). Your claim above
>>> that
>>> your membership was "never blocked" after you'd specifically complained
>>> to
>>> other people that it was is a good example of this assessment being
>>> correct.
>>> ~leif
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