[Noisebridge-discuss] "Banning" discussion tonight

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 00:24:32 UTC 2014


I would like for Lee to be at the meeting as well.


On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> Mitch, Lee Sonko knew about the banning proposal. I had personally been in
> discussion with him about it. I was surprised that he didn't show up to the
> meeting.
>
> And this is why Noisebridge isn't a safe space: after months of on-and-off
> harassment, Tom brings up this consensus proposal, it's on the docket for
> weeks, and actually manages to pass consensus. Yet after all these hurdles
> were overcome, Lee can defy his ban and come back into the space and debate
> his banning.
>
> Because Mitch says so. Even though he's a member and could have blocked for
> more discussion.
>
> We treat abusive people with kid gloves, and even when we manage to get
> something passed consensus and say, "Yes, this person should be banned",
> Mitch still wants to have a do-over.
>
> Mitch, do you respect consensus? Or only when it agrees with you?
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Praveen Sinha <dmhomee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I love you Naomi!!!!  Community meeting is a GREAT idea :)  I don't know
>> if I can be there tonight, but I'll try my best.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I will be there.  I also feel this is an extremely important
>>> discussion, and goes much deeper than simply the use of a ban.
>>>
>>> I have a solution in mind to avoid these situations, something I
>>> brought up a few meetings ago: a "community" meeting.
>>>
>>> Misunderstandings shouldn't be allowed to scale to the level of
>>> "drama".  In our current "system", we only have two modes: the general
>>> meeting and noisebridge-discuss.  The former is simply an
>>> inappropriate venue for addressing interpersonal issues, and the
>>> latter... well.
>>>
>>> Now that I see to what ridiculous level the Noisebridge version of
>>> justice can be taken in response to interpersonal issues that should
>>> never have escalated, it's time we consider strongly the idea of
>>> having a Community meeting in addition to the NB general meeting.
>>>
>>> --Naomi
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 2:08 PM, Mitch Altman <maltman23 at hotmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > Unfortunately I won't be able to be at tonight's meeting.  But I want
>>> > to
>>> > encourage discussion of "Banning".
>>> >
>>> > It is important to get rid of people who melt use, rather contribute to
>>> > the
>>> > culture of Noisebridge and is mission and vision.  It is also important
>>> > to
>>> > ban people who are disruptive, make many people uncomfortable, or are
>>> > violent or hateful.
>>> >
>>> > It is also important to not use banning as a means of getting rid of
>>> > someone
>>> > because you don't like them, or because you have a misunderstanding or
>>> > argument.
>>> >
>>> > Banning is a drastic measure, and (unless for violent or hateful or
>>> > illegal
>>> > behavior) should only be done when other means have been exhausted.
>>> >
>>> > These concepts need to be discussed and explored.
>>> >
>>> > A specific case came to my attention recently.  Lee Sony was apparently
>>> > banned without him being allowed to present his position.  He will be
>>> > at
>>> > tonight's meeting.  I hope people will listen and respond.  I feel this
>>> > is
>>> > important.
>>> >
>>> > Best,
>>> > Mitch.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> >
>>> >
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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