[Noisebridge-discuss] N0_Hat's reaction to User:Gergorydillon perception of events leading to Ban Request my User:Flamsmark

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 00:33:23 UTC 2014


Whoops, thought you had responded to the Mitch thread.

Regardless, the same is true here.

I'll explain myself at the meeting.  If you don't come, I'll take that
as a refusal to be reasonable.  :)

On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
> I mean that I am taking one of my few precious free evenings in this
> life to come to Noisebridge and understand what the fuck went wrong
> here, and I expect that Lee Sonko should be there.
>
> I know you guys (Tom and Al) are doing a great job at the roles you've
> set out for yourselves.  You should keep doing them.  We need to
> discuss how people can avoid invoking the powers you've assumed.  That
> includes yourselves.
>
> --Naomi
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:25 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Naomi, what do you mean by that?
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Naomi Gmail <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "up for ban by Tom"
>>>
>>> The single most indicative phrase in the whole account.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 4:01 PM, Howard Tsu <howard.tsu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Supplementation: lack of communication and understanding on behalf of both
>>> parties.
>>> Recent engagements have only been "you are sleeping" & "no I am not."
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Dude, are you plastering CGI boobs all over the Noisebridge wiki?
>>>>
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 3:19 PM, hush.hat at hushmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I was surprised to be notified about User:Gregorydillon account of the
>>>> events that occurred in the morning he asked me to leave. At the bottom of
>>>> his lengthy discussion section is this section which i will edit to fit my
>>>> account as well as the account witnessed by Qbit and Sid who were in the
>>>> space with me at the time in the Hacker-torium:
>>>>
>>>> Asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday meeting
>>>>
>>>> I asked Josh to leave this morning and not return until the Tuesday
>>>> meeting. (true)
>>>>
>>>> I arrived about 6:30, (false 5:30) and put on the lights (turned on all
>>>> the lights in the Hackertorium where 3 people were working in the dark on
>>>> their computers with only light LED lights on). He became incensed (false)
>>>> asked politley, "hay Greg can you turn the one by the electronic equiptment
>>>> shelf off its kind of too bright for our eyes [all three peopl in agreement,
>>>> 2 actually saying if he could turn all of them back off it was too bright.
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!" screaming with rage while
>>>> standing
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "Um, i understand that but that is not what i mean Greg, its just
>>>> the light is hurting out eyes and we have been coding all night on a project
>>>> can you just turn off one of the 4 swiches, the one for the electronics
>>>> shelf area off its putting strain on our eyes (he chose to sit at the center
>>>> to the table on the elevator side of the table)."
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydilions responce: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!"
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "Dude that has nothing to do with what i am askaing, i am just
>>>> asking if you can turn off one of the swiches because its its too early in
>>>> the morning and its straining our eyes."
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!!!!"
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "Dude what are you talking about? i just asking you to turn off
>>>> one of the lights what does your statement have to do with that?"
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillion: "I JUST GOT HERE!!!! NOOO!! (storms off to make some
>>>> coffee)
>>>>
>>>> leaving me, Sid, & Qbit wondering what would make him act in such an
>>>> extreme manner.
>>>>
>>>> that I turned on the lights. A
>>>>
>>>> I walked away from him and began making a cup of coffee. He turned light
>>>> off false
>>>>
>>>> When I came back there were 4 tea cups, with tea bag in most, glasses (
>>>> one ), plates ( one ) and uneaten food on the common table ( just my bag of
>>>> nachos which were right next to my laptop that was on next to all my stuff )
>>>> true: leftover from lastnight, none of which belonged to N0_Hat or Qbit or
>>>> Sid. I asked who's? True and got no response.True, no reply was given
>>>> because 1st it was not our's, 2nd because all three of us were being spoken
>>>> to in a Authoritarian, Overly-Agressive Tone I began cleaning it up, and
>>>> Josh went all argumentative again not to touch his food instead of taking
>>>> the cups and dishes he grabbed an extra large bad of nachos which belonged
>>>> to me and were half full seated directly infront of my jacket covered chair
>>>> on the table which had my laptop and water bottle, what i said was,
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat:"hay can you please not touch my food without my permission like
>>>> that."
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillion: "Well i asked who's food this was (false)"
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "no you didnt and i have already asked you about the light but
>>>> you wont bother to turn off even one out of the four that i asked for, so
>>>> since this is a do-ocracy, i guess i will do it myself.
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillon: NO YOU WON'T!!! in Agressively yelling
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: Yes, i wll and their is no obligation for anyone to take orders
>>>> from you at Noisebridge, this is a do-ocracy and you have no Authoritative
>>>> power over me or anyone else in this space. (take my food which he is still
>>>> holding and go to put it back where it was next to my laptop) On the way
>>>> back to the project i am working on my the audio equiptment i say, "Gregory
>>>> please don't touch my stuff again like that without my permission i consider
>>>> is extremely rude"
>>>>
>>>> I said he needs to acknowledge and clean. true Became more argumentative.
>>>> false "Greg i get that you want to clean but please don't go around just
>>>> peoples things from the table like that its extreamly rude and
>>>> inconsiderate"
>>>>
>>>> I asked him to leave true
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillion:"N0_HAT you know what, I want you out of here now!")
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: What? what did I do???? why are you asking me to leave
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillon: "N0_HAT I SAID I WANT YOU OUT OF HERE NOW!!!" screaming at
>>>> the top of his lungs.
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: Dude what are you talking about, i havent done anything"
>>>>
>>>> QBit: Dude you can't just ask N0_Hat to leave like that he hasent done
>>>> anything to you!
>>>>
>>>>  Sid: Greg you need to calm down you are over reacting, N0_Hat hasent
>>>> done anything to deserve being asked to leave.
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillon: N0_HAT I WANT YOU OUT NOW!!!
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "do you guys think i have done something wrong that i should be
>>>> asked to leave?"
>>>>
>>>> Qbit: No just ignore him he is loosing it
>>>>
>>>> Sid: No you don't have to leave
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: dude majority vote by two members, i am sorry but i am not going
>>>> anywhere, i have two witnesses here that know i havent done anything that
>>>> deserves me being asked to leave
>>>>
>>>> and not return until the Tuesday meeting true. He said he wasn't going
>>>> anywhere true and claimed that I was being rude. true
>>>>
>>>> hmmn (storms off mumbering to himself and slamming ever step down the
>>>> stairs)
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat, Sid, & Qbit, left puzzled and shocked
>>>>
>>>> Qbit:"oh my god what is with that guy. He usually just works in the
>>>> library which was completely empty why out of all days did he pick today to
>>>> sit here and then on top of that act that crazy?"
>>>>
>>>> N0_Hat: "dude im not going to fuck up my morning trying to figure that
>>>> guy out, he is loosing it, i just want to get back to work, lets put some
>>>> music on to restore the vibe in here."
>>>>
>>>> Sid: (Laughing) WOWWW just when you think you get this place, shit like
>>>> this happens"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----People who were witnesses that can confirm this to be a true
>>>> account, two:
>>>> Qbit and Sid who were with me working the entire night and were in the
>>>> hacker-torium when incident occurred
>>>>
>>>> ----People who can confirm Greg's account of what happened, zero
>>>>
>>>> further more on the Feb  19 post to his discussion tab claims, and i
>>>> quote, " when I spoke to Josh we got to the mutual asked to leave status"
>>>> [False] Gregorydillion was never asked to leave by anyone he stormed off.
>>>>
>>>> Gregorydillon, please try to communicate with me and tell me, Sid, and
>>>> Qbit why you behaved the way you did and why you felt the need to leave out
>>>> so many details and facts that actually occurred, I am up for ban my Tom for
>>>> not leaving and through i appreciate you expressing yourself the community ,
>>>> this time i feel that i cannot ignore the actions you took because they have
>>>> great effect on me in the Noisebridge community.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, User:HelloHowardYou sent me a private email on Feb 19th (which i
>>>> can provide as evidence) saying that he mediated this incident with you,
>>>> this is a direct quote.
>>>> "This morning I have spoken with Greg about what happened this morning,
>>>> and he recognized that he handles the situation with previous judgments as
>>>> he should have communicated more- in that when entering the space and seeing
>>>> people having turned the lights off he should have asked first instead of
>>>> imposing his actions onto everyone around. He also recognized that his
>>>> actions are antagonizing toward you, but rooting in the lack of
>>>> understanding and communication. A standard protocol in dealing with
>>>> disagreements is when asked, both parties leave the space until it can be
>>>> either mediated through conversation or to ask the community at large to
>>>> assist in coming in terms of an agreement/solution. As unfair as the
>>>> situation was, I believe the best procedure is to reach out to Greg and come
>>>> to a terms of solution. As of this morning, he has agreed to not come back
>>>> to the space until next Tuesday if you are willing to do the same (no i was
>>>> not willing but he decided to stay away from the space anyway) (no more
>>>> morning check-ups(authoritarian domineering pacing up and down the space
>>>> with his camera phone out in anticipation to take a picture selectively
>>>> amoung the people in the space of anyone who is napping or dosed off and
>>>> then getting on his wiki survalence blog to write about it ). Instead of
>>>> resorting to two people being absent from the space, an open line of
>>>> communication may help assist with arriving at a win/win situation. (i was
>>>> never once been contacted my Gregory)"
>>>>
>>>> Randomly running into User Flamsmark at Noisebridge and asking to speak
>>>> with him regarding ban proposals i had put forth and my pseudonym not being
>>>> used even after notifying Gregorydillon multiple times and asking 3
>>>> different Council Members to tell him as well when he did not comply due to
>>>> security risk it causes me. Eight minutes into the conversation which
>>>> happened when the meeting was done. Conversation went something like this:
>>>> User:Flamsmark: "N0_Hat is it true that you did not leave when
>>>> User:GregoryDillon asked you to leave?"
>>>> N0_Hat: "Yes, but he did it for no reason."
>>>> User:Flamsmark " N0_Hat i am asking you to leae Noisebridge right now"
>>>> N0_Hat: "But why? i havent done anything wrong"
>>>> User: Flamsmark "Doesn't matter please leave Noisebridge immediately."
>>>> N0_Hat: "I need a bit of time"
>>>> User: Flamsmark "You have 10 munutes"
>>>> N0_Hat: (starts packing belongings into research project handhelf
>>>> briefcase and laptop into a second case used to carry netbook and external
>>>> hardrives. Sid leaves Noisebridge with me and carried my laptop briefcase)
>>>> (witness of this even taking place: Qbit and Sid)
>>>>
>>>>
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