[Noisebridge-discuss] "Banning" discussion tonight

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Wed Feb 26 02:45:15 UTC 2014


That is a separate problem right.  Noisebridge hates/rules so we handle
them on a case by case basis.  I remember a thread about that some months
ago.  Can you find it on the mailing list archives and start a new thread
so we can discuss it again.  It should be a separate thread.
On Feb 25, 2014 6:41 PM, "Charles Tang" <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:

> Idk that the threshold of asking people to leave is that of an attempt to
> build an aquarium?
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>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Then this is pretty clear that it is harassment.   Right?   What more
>> information do we need?
>> On Feb 25, 2014 6:32 PM, "Charles Tang" <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't think mediation between Tom and Lee is a good idea.
>>>
>>> I mean Lee seems to want Toms attention for some reason.
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>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 6:26 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> Can you help lee with getting a consensus item on the docket or perhaps
>>>> mediation?
>>>> On Feb 25, 2014 6:23 PM, "Naomi Gmail" <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  I could have blocked as well, but thought MCT had it covered.
>>>>>
>>>>> Honestly I just didn't think the proposal would go through. I see it
>>>>> as a failure of community and an abuse of bureaucracy that it did go
>>>>> through. So I am coming tonight to learn more.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 25, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Lee Sonko <lee at lee.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  MCT agreed to proxy-block for me several weeks ago. He was at the
>>>>> meeting 2 weeks ago when the matter was expected to be discussed, however
>>>>> it wasn't brought up. Last week MCT wasn't at the meeting so I had no
>>>>> representation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I work Tuesday evenings so am generally unable to attend meetings but
>>>>> I found a substitute tonight.
>>>>>
>>>>> I hope we can all discuss this matter together.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lee
>>>>> On Feb 25, 2014 6:07 PM, "Ronald Cotoni" <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Lee was aware and Lee chose for a long time to not come to meetings
>>>>>> or get someone else to proxy block.  I suggest you get a deeper
>>>>>> understanding of how consensus works and why it is the way it is.   It was
>>>>>> to give him time, which he ignored sadly and has to deal with the
>>>>>> consequences now.
>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2014 6:00 PM, "Charles Tang" <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The second person who answers by come to a meeting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> These answers are fluid, which is the reason why Johnny asked for
>>>>>>> clarification on GitHub.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We need a better understanding and conceptualizer for banning.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I made my case with Lee. It seems to me he was just being annoying
>>>>>>> to Tom. Now, others do annoying things to me all the time, but I don't
>>>>>>> exclude.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem here is a failure to communicate, to ask, to
>>>>>>> "participate", to educate and to help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Indeed, the community is fractured. Indeed, people can be annoying
>>>>>>> Indeed, people can do bad things.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, goodness is fragile. Moreover, exclusion is not the answer for
>>>>>>> our problems. Inquisitions to rid ourselves of alternatives forecloses
>>>>>>> opportunity for us all.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And movements fail. . . .
>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Come to a meeting.  Read the bylaws and look at the wiki.  These
>>>>>>>> questions can be answered by those things
>>>>>>>> On Feb 25, 2014 5:47 PM, "Charles Tang" <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is active member defined be the label "member" or is it define by
>>>>>>>>> those who are "active."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or is there really a mythical "active member"
>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 5:45 PM, Adrian Chadd <
>>>>>>>>> adrian.chadd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 25 February 2014 17:42, Darius Garza <313kid at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> > "A ban from the Noisebridge space may be a useful social
>>>>>>>>>> punishment for a
>>>>>>>>>> > social crime"
>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> > Noisebridge is a lot of things, but it certainly isn't up to
>>>>>>>>>> anyone to use
>>>>>>>>>> > it as a "social punishment" tool.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ... noisebridge is apparently whatever the active membership
>>>>>>>>>> decide it
>>>>>>>>>> is. I thought that was the point.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -a
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