[Noisebridge-discuss] concensus

Drew Smith drew at riotnrrd.com
Thu Feb 27 17:40:37 UTC 2014


Your opinion is noted.

Also worth noting that “time to consensus” is the single largest (only?) complaint anyone has with the current system.

Shutting down ideas without even considering them though… are you so absolutely certain that the system is perfect as it is right now? Seems like my stupid idea is no more radical than the idea of having cheerleaders or a half-time show…?

Cheers,
- Drew.

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On Feb 26, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:

> You seem to think "time to consensus" is a cost variable best minimized.
> 
> I'll give you a hint: it's not.
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Drew Smith <drew at riotnrrd.com> wrote:
>> Whoops, reply to all, not just to Ronald,
>> 
>> No, a democracy is when everyone gets an equal vote and the majority vote
>> wins.
>> 
>> In my stupid idea there's a randomized element where one person's vote is
>> worth more than everyone else's. They are just as powerful towards pushing
>> through things that would be otherwise blocked as they are towards blocking
>> things that would be otherwise pushed through.
>> 
>> I believe this would drastically cut down the time spent trying to achieve
>> consensus, and if the matter were re-opened at another meeting, the
>> likelihood of the same person having the "special vote" status would be
>> quite low.
>> 
>> It's also worth noting that many people on this list seem to be saying
>> "consensus" when they actually mean "unanimity". Consensus, by definition,
>> does not mean 100% agreement by everyone involved, but rather a general or
>> majority agreement.
>> 
>> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/consensus
>> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consensus
>> http://www.thefreedictionary.com/consensus
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consensus_defined
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> - Drew.
>> 
>> --
>> Drew Smith (mux) <drew at riotnrrd.com>, VA7DSX / VE0TF
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>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's a democracy not consensus.  Any 1 member can block but that might
>>> work.  Either way requires us to be more vigilant and present in the space.
>>> 
>>> On Feb 26, 2014 1:51 PM, "Drew Smith" <drew at riotnrrd.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Here's a stupid idea I had:
>>>> 
>>>> How about at each meeting, at the counting of attendees, all names of
>>>> those in attendance go into a hat (ideally software). The total number of
>>>> attendees is the variable N.
>>>> 
>>>> One name is picked from the hat. That person is now special, and their
>>>> votes on concensus items count for N/2 votes, rounded down.
>>>> 
>>>> Concensus is declared when there are N votes for a concensus item.
>>>> 
>>>> A functional example; say there are 22 people at the meeting. Dave's name
>>>> is drawn at random, so he is worth 11 votes. He does not have enough power
>>>> to push through something by himself, but he does have the power to override
>>>> some blockers. A vote to ban someone comes up, and without Dave's vote the
>>>> tally is 18 votes for the ban and 3 votes against - Dave's vote is worth 11
>>>> votes, and he votes for the ban, so the final outcome is 29 votes for, 3
>>>> against, with concensus declared at 22 votes.
>>>> 
>>>> Thoughts? What about if the special person received N/3 votes? Some other
>>>> number?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> - Drew.
>>>> 
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