[Noisebridge-discuss] JC’s bed and private section at Noisebridge (something I’m going to bring up at the next meeting)

Jeffrey Carl Faden jeffreyatw at gmail.com
Sat Jan 4 06:30:55 UTC 2014


Sounds like J.C. is just trying to wear you down. It's really unfortunate.


On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 8:03 PM, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:

> JC has sectioned off the area near the fire escape and has built a bed
> underneath one of the tables. He calls the area "The Bridge". It's unclear
> what the intended use of it is supposed to be. JC's explanation was really
> meandering, something about a kind of "experimental" inner circle,
> hackerspace-within-a-hackerspace for leet hackers to hang out. I'm not sure
> who qualifies as leet, but I'm sure JC will let you know if you are.
>
>
> JC doesn't really want to let people know about The Bridge. He built it in
> the early hours of New Year's Day, initially partitioning it off with a
> tarp but now has added more semi-permanent walls. The wiki page for it
> doesn't really have any information: https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Bridge
>
>
> He refuses to talk about it on noisebridge-discuss. Shortly after I found
> about it, JC announced he was retiring from the discuss mailing list, which
> is a convenient way to not have to answer anyone's questions or criticisms
> about what he's doing. I've asked him repeatedly to bring it up on this
> mailing list, but he says that the mailing list isn't "real Noisebridge"
> and doesn't want to read people's "retarded comments".
>
>
> When I checked for sleepers around 7am yesterday, he told me that there
> had been an "open meeting" (his words) about The Bridge. This meeting
> hadn't been previously announced, and took place sometime between midnight
> and 7am. And he won't tell me who was at this meeting, but JC does assure
> me that everyone who attended was "unanimous" that The Bridge was a good
> idea that should continue.
>
>
> I still don't know what The Bridge is used for. The whiteboard at the
> border of the section just says stuff about "sleep research" and "shoes
> optional".
>
>
> JC told me he'd rather not have me around it, so I guess I'm not one of
> the people who is leet enough to hang out there. Every time I start to tell
> him "you're monopolizing this space" and "you need to tell other people
> about this and answer the questions they'll have" he tells me he can't talk
> with me and walks away.
>
>
> So… yeah. It's pretty clear to me that JC is just setting up his own
> living space and hangout pad for his personally selected friends. I would
> describe taking a public part of Noisebridge and turning into your own
> domain and sleeping quarters as Unexcellent.
>
>
> But maybe this, against all odds, isn't the case. I'm going to be talking
> about it at the Tuesday meeting, and I invite everyone else to also talk
> about it. I'm sure JC can clue us in then.
>
>
> I had a chat with JC on IRC about it. The whole conversation is here:
> http://pastebin.com/Zzw2SVSe but here are the highlights:
>
>
> 15:14 < AlSweigart> Hey JC, so my main question with The Bridge that
> you're setting up is 1) What's it supposed to accomplish? Is it a second
> spacebridge project?
>
> 15:15 < AlSweigart> And 2) who's going to be sleeping in the nap pod that
> you set up there?
>
> 15:15 < tdfischer> its a space within a space
>
> 15:15 < thex> it's a part of the space
>
> 15:15 < thex> i've update the floorplan
>
> 15:15 < thex> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noiz_spacemap2012.jpg
>
> 15:15 < noisebot> [Link Info] title: File:Noiz spacemap2012.jpg -
> Noisebridge
>
> 15:16 < thex> although you may have to reload for cache
>
> 15:16 < AlSweigart> Right. But why is the partitioning necessary for the
> projects that will be done there, and what projects will be done there? Is
> it just a separate new room in the space?
>
> 15:16 < thex> all great q's
>
> 15:17 < thex> gimmie one sec peeps IRL in the bridge
>
> 15:17 < thex> brb
>
> 15:17 < AlSweigart> Also, the jpg you linked doesn't really explain it. It
> looks more like a joke. But seriously, what is it going to be used for?
>
> 15:18 < thex> it's a bridge, for the spaceship noisebridge
>
> 15:18 < thex> on a 5 year mission, to blah blah blah, excellent haxing etc
>
> 15:18 <@jerkey> AlSweigart it's not really a thing, it's a state of mind
>
> 15:18 < thex> and it's very much a work in process
>
> 15:18 < AlSweigart> Uh... yeah, but seriously, what is it and what will it
> be used for?
>
> (At this point the subject changed.)
>
>
>
>
>
> 15:22 < thex> so the "bridge" experiment, is diving into a more 1337
> bridge, or n0153bridge if you will
>
> 15:22 < AlSweigart> thex: Can you explain what that means?
>
> 15:22 < thex> a dedicated space for 1337
>
> 15:22 < thex> setup with nice things
>
> 15:22 < thex> that continue to work, and stay in the space
>
> 15:22 < thex> i am working to design it in a open and non-exclusionary way
>
> 15:23 < thex> however, there is a line
>
>  15:23 < thex> that is meant to insure that ppl participanting in the
> bridge are doing so with known concent of what they are choosing to
> participate in
>
> 15:23 <@jerkey> you mean the nitrous?
>
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> 15:25 < AlSweigart> thex: It really looks like your setting up a private
> space, including sleeping quarters, for yourself and the people you deem
> leet. Especially since you did it all before announcing it on the wiki, in
> IRC, at a meeting, and are refusing to announce it at all on the mailing
> list. Also, tonight's meeting is NYE, where not many people will show up.
>
> 15:25  * thex in all seriousness, not a fan of huffers/huffing
>
> 15:25 < thex> yes, to be clear and plain, i am hacking the shit out of
> noisebridge, and not asking permission
>
> 15:26 < thex> i am doing my best, and expect to be held accountable, that
> i find and proceed in an excellent way
>
>
>
>
>
> 15:26 < Cognition> who determines who is 1337?
>
> 15:26 < thex> i'd prefer to do then talk, and let my doin speak for itself
>
> 15:26 < AlSweigart> Cognition: I am very much interested in the answer to
> that question too.
>
> 15:27 < thex> however, i value the oppurtunity for input and feedback, and
> rfc stage as it were
>
>
>
>
>
> 15:28 < AlSweigart> jerkey: It's only been up for a day. I was in the
> middle of taking down the tarp when JC found me and explain everything,
> because I hadn't heard about it at all and thought someone was setting up
> their own private residence.
>
> 15:28 < thex> actually this is day 5
>
> 15:28 <@jerkey> that is a valid guess when you see a tarp go up at
> noisebrige
>
> 15:28 < thex> i've been "occupying" west noisebridge since the start of
> CHAOS
>
> 15:28 < thex> which i very publicly announced over a month ago
>
> 15:28 < thex> this is a continuation
>
>
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>
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> 15:35 < thex> i'd like to sperate the sleep pod from the bridge discussion
>
> 15:35 < thex> as it's not intended to be part of the bridge
>
> 15:36 < AlSweigart> thex: The sleep pod is right in the middle of The
> Bridge and was made at the same time as The Bridge. I don't see how you
> can't include it.
>
> 15:36 < thex> the sleep pod was an invention contrived at 5:30am this
> morning
>
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> 15:43 < thex> and the bridge is a departure, in that it most definetly is
> not concensus
>
> 15:43 < thex> and will not conform to comprimise
>
> 15:43 < thex> it will be what it is
>
> 15:43 < thex> and if anyone feels that it is keeping them or anyone from
> reasonably using the space, i invite you to come to the bridge and chat
> with me about it
>
> 15:44 < AlSweigart> thex: "and will not conform to comprimise" really
> concerns me
>
> 15:44 < thex> good
>
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> 15:47 < thex> to be clear the sleep pod is not behind/under a tarp
>
> 15:47 < thex> it's under a desk
>
> 15:47 < thex> with a horizontal door
>
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> 15:48 < thex> and i'm not at all interested in hiding anything i'm doing
>
> 15:48 < thex> however i find it prudent to be discrete about some things
>
> 15:49 < AlSweigart> thex: Like alcohol/weed use?
>
> 15:49 < thex> yes as for some
>
> 15:50 < thex> out of sight out of mind
>
> 15:50 < thex> not that i condone or use that a excuse for illegal
> activities at/around nb
>
> 15:50 < thex> but i can be a responsible adult and consume alcohal in the
> space
>
> 15:50 < AlSweigart> thex: ...
>
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>
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> 15:54 < thex> and in at least my version of a hackerspace i wanna spend
> time at, sleeping and drink booze is a part of the experience, not what
> defines it however
>
>
>
> 15:52 < thex> tell ya what
>
> 15:53 < thex> let me get back to figure out what the f'k the bridge is for
> myself, and there will be updates to follow
>
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