[Noisebridge-discuss] JC’s bed and private section at Noisebridge (something I’m going to bring up at the next meeting)

davidfine d at vidfine.com
Sat Jan 4 06:51:29 UTC 2014


I refer you to an old proverb: That which is done to the space without
consensus may be undone without consensus.
--D

On 1/3/14, 8:03 PM, Al Sweigart wrote:
>
> JC has sectioned off the area near the fire escape and has built a bed
> underneath one of the tables. He calls the area "The Bridge". It's
> unclear what the intended use of it is supposed to be. JC's
> explanation was really meandering, something about a kind of
> "experimental" inner circle, hackerspace-within-a-hackerspace for leet
> hackers to hang out. I'm not sure who qualifies as leet, but I'm sure
> JC will let you know if you are.
>
>
> JC doesn't really want to let people know about The Bridge. He built
> it in the early hours of New Year's Day, initially partitioning it off
> with a tarp but now has added more semi-permanent walls. The wiki page
> for it doesn't really have any information:
> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/Bridge
>
>
> He refuses to talk about it on noisebridge-discuss. Shortly after I
> found about it, JC announced he was retiring from the discuss mailing
> list, which is a convenient way to not have to answer anyone's
> questions or criticisms about what he's doing. I've asked him
> repeatedly to bring it up on this mailing list, but he says that the
> mailing list isn't "real Noisebridge" and doesn't want to read
> people's "retarded comments".
>
>
> When I checked for sleepers around 7am yesterday, he told me that
> there had been an "open meeting" (his words) about The Bridge. This
> meeting hadn't been previously announced, and took place sometime
> between midnight and 7am. And he won't tell me who was at this
> meeting, but JC does assure me that everyone who attended was
> "unanimous" that The Bridge was a good idea that should continue.
>
>
> I still don't know what The Bridge is used for. The whiteboard at the
> border of the section just says stuff about "sleep research" and
> "shoes optional".
>
>
> JC told me he'd rather not have me around it, so I guess I'm not one
> of the people who is leet enough to hang out there. Every time I start
> to tell him "you're monopolizing this space" and "you need to tell
> other people about this and answer the questions they'll have" he
> tells me he can't talk with me and walks away.
>
>
> So… yeah. It's pretty clear to me that JC is just setting up his own
> living space and hangout pad for his personally selected friends. I
> would describe taking a public part of Noisebridge and turning into
> your own domain and sleeping quarters as Unexcellent.
>
>
> But maybe this, against all odds, isn't the case. I'm going to be
> talking about it at the Tuesday meeting, and I invite everyone else to
> also talk about it. I'm sure JC can clue us in then.
>
>
> I had a chat with JC on IRC about it. The whole conversation is here:
> http://pastebin.com/Zzw2SVSe but here are the highlights:
>
>
> 15:14 < AlSweigart> Hey JC, so my main question with The Bridge that
> you're setting up is 1) What's it supposed to accomplish? Is it a
> second spacebridge project?
>
> 15:15 < AlSweigart> And 2) who's going to be sleeping in the nap pod
> that you set up there?
>
> 15:15 < tdfischer> its a space within a space
>
> 15:15 < thex> it's a part of the space
>
> 15:15 < thex> i've update the floorplan
>
> 15:15 < thex> https://noisebridge.net/wiki/File:Noiz_spacemap2012.jpg
>
> 15:15 < noisebot> [Link Info] title: File:Noiz spacemap2012.jpg -
> Noisebridge
>
> 15:16 < thex> although you may have to reload for cache
>
> 15:16 < AlSweigart> Right. But why is the partitioning necessary for
> the projects that will be done there, and what projects will be done
> there? Is it just a separate new room in the space?
>
> 15:16 < thex> all great q's
>
> 15:17 < thex> gimmie one sec peeps IRL in the bridge
>
> 15:17 < thex> brb
>
> 15:17 < AlSweigart> Also, the jpg you linked doesn't really explain
> it. It looks more like a joke. But seriously, what is it going to be
> used for?
>
> 15:18 < thex> it's a bridge, for the spaceship noisebridge
>
> 15:18 < thex> on a 5 year mission, to blah blah blah, excellent haxing etc
>
> 15:18 <@jerkey> AlSweigart it's not really a thing, it's a state of mind
>
> 15:18 < thex> and it's very much a work in process
>
> 15:18 < AlSweigart> Uh... yeah, but seriously, what is it and what
> will it be used for?
>
> (At this point the subject changed.)
>
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> 15:22 < thex> so the "bridge" experiment, is diving into a more 1337
> bridge, or n0153bridge if you will
>
> 15:22 < AlSweigart> thex: Can you explain what that means?
>
> 15:22 < thex> a dedicated space for 1337
>
> 15:22 < thex> setup with nice things
>
> 15:22 < thex> that continue to work, and stay in the space
>
> 15:22 < thex> i am working to design it in a open and non-exclusionary way
>
> 15:23 < thex> however, there is a line
>
>  15:23 < thex> that is meant to insure that ppl participanting in the
> bridge are doing so with known concent of what they are choosing to
> participate in
>
> 15:23 <@jerkey> you mean the nitrous?
>
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> 15:25 < AlSweigart> thex: It really looks like your setting up a
> private space, including sleeping quarters, for yourself and the
> people you deem leet. Especially since you did it all before
> announcing it on the wiki, in IRC, at a meeting, and are refusing to
> announce it at all on the mailing list. Also, tonight's meeting is
> NYE, where not many people will show up.
>
> 15:25  * thex in all seriousness, not a fan of huffers/huffing
>
> 15:25 < thex> yes, to be clear and plain, i am hacking the shit out of
> noisebridge, and not asking permission
>
> 15:26 < thex> i am doing my best, and expect to be held accountable,
> that i find and proceed in an excellent way
>
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> 15:26 < Cognition> who determines who is 1337?
>
> 15:26 < thex> i'd prefer to do then talk, and let my doin speak for itself
>
> 15:26 < AlSweigart> Cognition: I am very much interested in the answer
> to that question too.
>
> 15:27 < thex> however, i value the oppurtunity for input and feedback,
> and rfc stage as it were
>
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> 15:28 < AlSweigart> jerkey: It's only been up for a day. I was in the
> middle of taking down the tarp when JC found me and explain
> everything, because I hadn't heard about it at all and thought someone
> was setting up their own private residence.
>
> 15:28 < thex> actually this is day 5
>
> 15:28 <@jerkey> that is a valid guess when you see a tarp go up at
> noisebrige
>
> 15:28 < thex> i've been "occupying" west noisebridge since the start
> of CHAOS
>
> 15:28 < thex> which i very publicly announced over a month ago
>
> 15:28 < thex> this is a continuation
>
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> 15:35 < thex> i'd like to sperate the sleep pod from the bridge discussion
>
> 15:35 < thex> as it's not intended to be part of the bridge
>
> 15:36 < AlSweigart> thex: The sleep pod is right in the middle of The
> Bridge and was made at the same time as The Bridge. I don't see how
> you can't include it.
>
> 15:36 < thex> the sleep pod was an invention contrived at 5:30am this
> morning
>
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> 15:43 < thex> and the bridge is a departure, in that it most definetly
> is not concensus
>
> 15:43 < thex> and will not conform to comprimise
>
> 15:43 < thex> it will be what it is
>
> 15:43 < thex> and if anyone feels that it is keeping them or anyone
> from reasonably using the space, i invite you to come to the bridge
> and chat with me about it
>
> 15:44 < AlSweigart> thex: "and will not conform to comprimise" really
> concerns me
>
> 15:44 < thex> good
>
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> 15:47 < thex> to be clear the sleep pod is not behind/under a tarp
>
> 15:47 < thex> it's under a desk
>
> 15:47 < thex> with a horizontal door
>
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> 15:48 < thex> and i'm not at all interested in hiding anything i'm doing
>
> 15:48 < thex> however i find it prudent to be discrete about some things
>
> 15:49 < AlSweigart> thex: Like alcohol/weed use?
>
> 15:49 < thex> yes as for some
>
> 15:50 < thex> out of sight out of mind
>
> 15:50 < thex> not that i condone or use that a excuse for illegal
> activities at/around nb
>
> 15:50 < thex> but i can be a responsible adult and consume alcohal in
> the space
>
> 15:50 < AlSweigart> thex: ...
>
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> 15:54 < thex> and in at least my version of a hackerspace i wanna
> spend time at, sleeping and drink booze is a part of the experience,
> not what defines it however
>
>
>
> 15:52 < thex> tell ya what
>
> 15:53 < thex> let me get back to figure out what the f'k the bridge is
> for myself, and there will be updates to follow
>
>
>
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