[Noisebridge-discuss] Why Consensus Kills Community

Curtis Gagliardi gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com
Tue Jan 7 00:21:26 UTC 2014


Also I don't know if anyone mentioned it, but voting for leaders is quite a
bit different from directly voting on rules, which as I understand it is
the idea here, not to elect Al president of the NB cabal.  The US voting
system is obviously a joke, but I don't see how you can say voting is to
give you the illusion of democracy in a direct democracy.


On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:09 PM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:

>  On 1/5/2014 10:14:51 PM, "Al Sweigart" <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  tl:dr; I disagree with every point you make.
>
>
> Al, it seems impolite and illogical for you to say "Praveen, i did not
> read your essay, and i disagree with every point you make."
>
>
>
>  If political processes are always dominated by trolls and politicians,
> than consensus is a process that makes it easy for them.
>
>
> +1
>
>
>
>  cliquish and exclusive NB really is.
>
>
> Nb should be cliquish-- hacker-clique.
>
>
>
>  When people first come into Noisebridge, they are wowed by all the space
> and infrastructure we have freely available. It's only after a while they
> notice the clutter, the food left out, the missing basic tools in the shop,
> the filth, the mice, getting their phone stolen, creepy pervs, etc.
>
> YES. Praveen, people who've never been to the space, or who've only
> visited once or twice, is NOT a reliable data-set for the health of
> on-going operations. (but it does demonstrate that people love the IDEA of
> Noisebridge).
>
>
>
>  The whole, "Well Noisebridge isn't for everyone" response I get is the
> biggest hypocrisy of the "radical inclusiveness" that the anarchist crowd
> says they abide by.
>
> If they mean, Noisebridge isn't for non-hackers, i agree with them.
>
>
>
>  "consensus is what they gave you to make you think you have a voice".
>
> YES. +1
>
>
>
>  Your "Noisebridge will be staring down the barrel of being gentrified
> out of the mission later in the year" is a hollow scare tactic.
>
> Why, Al? The hood IS being gentrified. The whole city is. Rents are going
> up. However, whether this will affect NB's rent or expenses, i do not know.
>
>
>
> Johny Radio
> If you have to police the space, you're doing it wrong.
>
>
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