[Noisebridge-discuss] Fwd: Re: Pressure washer rental costs near nb

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Tue Jan 14 20:43:03 UTC 2014

Exactly so we should not just get a pressure washer but something to
contain the water on the sidewalk so it doesn't go down the drain.  We need
another machine to suck up the water for proper disposal at the least.  We
might be able to use a shop vac but that is a lot of water.  I am unsure of
the water required to get all of the paint off but we would need enough
containers to properly dispose of that water too.  That is to be sure that
Noisebridge is not liable for anything.  We can discuss this at the meeting
tonight as well.

On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:37 PM, hep <dis at gruntle.org> wrote:

> Drains in SF lead into a combined stormwater/sewage system. During times
> of heavy rainflow (not now obviously) the system is overwhelmed and they
> will open the stormwater gates and dump directly into the bay and ocean via
> several storm overflow hatches. However, even in dry times the system is
> designed to only treat normal sewage, oil and grease from food production,
> but not anything else. This isn't  "misinformed as to how the water flows
> in the city", this is information directly from the sf water authority, and
> the reason their "only rain down the drains" ad campaign exists.
> "Wastewater treatment plants are designed to clean wastewater containing
> human waste, oil, and grease. However, they are not able to remove
> completely other pollutants and these may remain in the water after
> treatment. We all can help prevent pollution of the bay or ocean by not
> pouring automotive fluids, yard and garden chemicals, or waste medicines
> down the sink or toilet, on the ground, or into local storm drains. Bring
> untreatable wastes to the San Francisco Household Hazardous Waste Facility
> for recycling or disposal. Call (415) 330-1405 or visit:
> http://pollutionprevention.sfwater.org."
> http://sfwater.org/index.aspx?page=398
> http://www.sfwater.org/cfapps/lims/beachmain1.cfm
> http://www.sfwater.org/index.aspx?page=96
> http://museumca.org/creeks/1690-OBSFSewers.html
> http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2012/01/24/storms-cause-sewage-systems-to-overflow-into-bay/
> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Because you clearly do not quite understand how the US legal system
>> works.  First, we are in a bit of a mess since Eclair painted the sidewalk.
>>  This is an offense that merits a fine.  If we wash it off and for whatever
>> reason the runoff contained some dangerous chemical (its paint of an
>> unknown type, which means we have no clue what is in it but it is better to
>> assume it is the most toxic of paint that exists), we could be held liable
>> for it running into the water supply.  Depending how toxic it is.  Chances
>> are we would prolly be fine but if we are not, you need insurance.  The
>> companies that do this on a regular basis have liability insurance for this
>> sort of thing.  So while it may cost is 300 for us to do it our selves
>> (throwing out a number), it could cost way more if something bad happens.
>>  I honestly don't know but you should think about this since while
>> Noisebridge is a unique hackerspace with a Docracy and such, that doesn't
>> necessarily apply to the rest of the planet.  If you would like, I will be
>> at the meeting tonight and we can discuss the real world vs noisebridge's
>> world.
>> On Tue, Jan 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM, spinach williams <
>> spinach.williams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Jan 14, 2014 11:22 AM, "Adrian Chadd" <adrian.chadd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > So how much public liability insurance do you suggest the person who
>>> > can "wash a sidewalk" have?
>>> someone who can wash a sidewalk would know. what's with the scare
>>> quotes, anyway?
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Ronald Cotoni
Systems Engineer
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