[Noisebridge-discuss] Accent Workshop Class for Non-native Speakers

hep dis at gruntle.org
Wed Jan 15 16:55:39 UTC 2014

Actually you can lose abilities with your native language, especially if
language retraining takes place at a young age.  I grew up a native spanish
speaker, and was forced into "speech classes" for more than 5 years to lose
my native accent. To this day I can no longer speak spanish with as much
physical fluidity as before I lost my accent, and because of the fact that
letters are pronounced different from english to spanish, i often now have
to think about how to speak spanish so i don't end up mispronouncing words.
Particularly in hispanic communities, accent erasure is considered to be
colonial and yet another form of white dominance in america to do with the
racialization of language (despite the fact that many hispanic and latino
people have been here since this WAS mexico).  I cannot speak for other
cultures, but I know that in many latino and hispanic cultures accent
erasure is now frowned upon as disconnecting more of the threads to one's
native culture in favor of the white american dominant culture
(particularly those hispanics like myself who are many generations
american, going back to the 1700s.) and there is a movement to stop the
practice of having latino native spanish speakers work on reducing or
losing their accent.

This is something to keep in mind especially with the current situation re:
gentrifying natives out of the mission, and the current hostility to
hispanic immigrants in this country. This is also part of the current
identity and racism in tech issue that is going on in the Valley,
particularly relating to Paul Graham's xenophobic comments about CEOs with







This is something we all need to think about, especially in this day of
interconnected internet gossip and communities organizing online against
things they feel threatens their culture. It would suck to show up on
considering the climate of the valley and the mission at this time that is
certainly something that could happen.


On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:57 AM, C. Honnet <cedric at honnet.eu> wrote:

> Haha, we can't lose it most of the time so no problem for that (at least I
> know I'm stuck with mine) but it's sometimes really tiring to not even be
> understood because of our pronunciation...
> ...and it's good to be able to hide it in hostile environments, this
> workshop can save lives!
> lol ;p
>  On Jan 15, 2014 9:51 AM, "Gregory Dillon" <gregorydillon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Understanding has to be important, but I just want to chime in that I
>> like hearing foreign speaker's accents.
>> On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 7:22 AM, C. Honnet <cedric at honnet.eu> wrote:
>>> Artur,
>>> You rock.
>>> This is a really excellent idea!!!
>>> Thanks a lot ;)
>>> Cedric.
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> From: Artur Moczulski <artur.moczulski at gmail.com>
>>> To: NoiseBridge Discuss <noisebridge-discuss at lists.noisebridge.net>
>>> Cc:
>>> Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 19:07:47 -0800
>>> Subject: [Noisebridge-discuss] Accent Workshop Class for Non-native
>>> Speakers
>>> Hey Noisbridge Members,
>>> I would like to organize an accent and pronunciation workshop for
>>> non-native speakers at Noisebridge. I am aiming for a 2 hour slot on
>>> Saturday at noon. I would like to use one of the classrooms for this.
>>> I would like to promote the workshop by various "social" websites
>>> including meetup.com and any other way that will help me build the core
>>> group.
>>> Is there anything I should know about organizing events at Noisebridge,
>>> outside of what is included here:
>>> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Hosting_an_Event ? Do you have any
>>> tips on how to book the classroom for this?
>>> Best regards,
>>> Artur Moczulski
>>> "Always do your best. What you plant now, you will harvest later."
>>> +1 (563) 321 - 3382
>>> about.me/amoczulski
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>> --
>> Let's stay in touch.  Greg
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