[Noisebridge-discuss] why is sleeping at noisebridge a problem?

Charles Tang cjtang1 at asu.edu
Thu Mar 6 06:07:07 UTC 2014

Dude, sleepers are NSA agents.

This has been established.

Lets use better crytpo-language.

On 5 March 2014 21:36, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> I pretty much agree.  I still think we need more people around ALL THE
> TIME to solve these issues with the way noisebridge is designed.  We simply
> don't have enough right now.  We are talking about some house rules for
> noisebridge which may or may not address this issue.
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> I am disturbed to see that people still don't understand why it's a
>> problem that people sleep at noisebridge.
>> It's not because it's against the lease, although this is true.  It's
>> because it fucks up our ability to have a hackerspace and submerges us in
>> roommate drama.  seriously.
>> San Francisco is a very expensive place to rent a room.  This means that
>> any place people can sleep for free is very valuable.  As long as
>> noisebridge allows people to sleep, those people will be very strongly
>> motivated to maintain their access to that sleeping space, regardless of
>> the consequences to the culture and function of that space in general.  It
>> seems that Josh/N0_HAT was/is defending his "turf" with aggression and
>> whatever tactics would wear down the community enough to keep his spot.
>> When sleepers take the other road from Josh, which is "i wasn't sleeping"
>> or "I just fell asleep while i was hacking this uh circuitboard thingy"
>> it's just as problematic, because when people reduce their sleeping
>> quantity/quality to avoid losing their sleeping spot, they get crazy.
>> sleeping is important to clear the brain of toxins, and when people don't
>> get enough sleep they actually get schizophrenic.  read this:
>> http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp2013174a.html
>> schizophrenics suffer from an inability to get autophagy, or the cleaning
>> of the brain, even if they sleep enough.  When we allow people to depend on
>> noisebridge as their sleeping space, they either become aggressively
>> defensive of their turf (like Josh) or they hide in the shadows catching
>> minimal sleep (like Rayc) and become gradually more and more insane.
>> Both of these behaviors are destructive to our safe space and take away
>> from our ability to have a nice hackerspace where we can gather as a
>> community.  The solution is to refuse entry to noisebridge by people who
>> use the space as a sleeping place.
>> If anyone has a problem with disallowing people from the space who are
>> known to sleep there, I recommend that they invite these people into their
>> own homes instead of being hypocritical and making it everyone else's
>> problem.
>> -jake
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