[Noisebridge-discuss] why is sleeping at noisebridge a problem?

Charles Tang cjtang1 at asu.edu
Thu Mar 6 06:09:38 UTC 2014

And yes, all of us schizophrenics are such terrible people. We are such
terrible people and should just sit in our apartments and smoke all day

So everyone at the NSA, or otherwise, can tapp their phones while they are
off, and so everyone can freak out.

Maybe I should buy a $10 burner phone, for "insurance."

Just incase.

On 5 March 2014 22:07, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:

> Dude, sleepers are NSA agents.
> This has been established.
> Lets use better crytpo-language.
> On 5 March 2014 21:36, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I pretty much agree.  I still think we need more people around ALL THE
>> TIME to solve these issues with the way noisebridge is designed.  We simply
>> don't have enough right now.  We are talking about some house rules for
>> noisebridge which may or may not address this issue.
>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>> I am disturbed to see that people still don't understand why it's a
>>> problem that people sleep at noisebridge.
>>> It's not because it's against the lease, although this is true.  It's
>>> because it fucks up our ability to have a hackerspace and submerges us in
>>> roommate drama.  seriously.
>>> San Francisco is a very expensive place to rent a room.  This means that
>>> any place people can sleep for free is very valuable.  As long as
>>> noisebridge allows people to sleep, those people will be very strongly
>>> motivated to maintain their access to that sleeping space, regardless of
>>> the consequences to the culture and function of that space in general.  It
>>> seems that Josh/N0_HAT was/is defending his "turf" with aggression and
>>> whatever tactics would wear down the community enough to keep his spot.
>>> When sleepers take the other road from Josh, which is "i wasn't
>>> sleeping" or "I just fell asleep while i was hacking this uh circuitboard
>>> thingy" it's just as problematic, because when people reduce their sleeping
>>> quantity/quality to avoid losing their sleeping spot, they get crazy.
>>> sleeping is important to clear the brain of toxins, and when people
>>> don't get enough sleep they actually get schizophrenic.  read this:
>>> http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp2013174a.html
>>> schizophrenics suffer from an inability to get autophagy, or the
>>> cleaning of the brain, even if they sleep enough.  When we allow people to
>>> depend on noisebridge as their sleeping space, they either become
>>> aggressively defensive of their turf (like Josh) or they hide in the
>>> shadows catching minimal sleep (like Rayc) and become gradually more and
>>> more insane.
>>> Both of these behaviors are destructive to our safe space and take away
>>> from our ability to have a nice hackerspace where we can gather as a
>>> community.  The solution is to refuse entry to noisebridge by people who
>>> use the space as a sleeping place.
>>> If anyone has a problem with disallowing people from the space who are
>>> known to sleep there, I recommend that they invite these people into their
>>> own homes instead of being hypocritical and making it everyone else's
>>> problem.
>>> -jake
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>> --
>> Ronald Cotoni
>> Systems Engineer
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