[Noisebridge-discuss] why is sleeping at noisebridge a problem?

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Thu Mar 6 06:11:30 UTC 2014

I think a lot of people see sleeping at the space as a problem, but in the
past many people haven't wanted to have punitive consequences for
repeatedly being unexcellent. If you live out of Noisebridge, the worse
that will happen is that you might be asked to leave once in a while. Being
banned is either never considered or blocked but one or two people (who
themselves like to sleep at Noisebridge).

I'm not sure why such people are still welcome at the space. They want a
clubhouse and squat more than a hackerspace.

On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> I pretty much agree.  I still think we need more people around ALL THE
> TIME to solve these issues with the way noisebridge is designed.  We simply
> don't have enough right now.  We are talking about some house rules for
> noisebridge which may or may not address this issue.
> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> I am disturbed to see that people still don't understand why it's a
>> problem that people sleep at noisebridge.
>> It's not because it's against the lease, although this is true.  It's
>> because it fucks up our ability to have a hackerspace and submerges us in
>> roommate drama.  seriously.
>> San Francisco is a very expensive place to rent a room.  This means that
>> any place people can sleep for free is very valuable.  As long as
>> noisebridge allows people to sleep, those people will be very strongly
>> motivated to maintain their access to that sleeping space, regardless of
>> the consequences to the culture and function of that space in general.  It
>> seems that Josh/N0_HAT was/is defending his "turf" with aggression and
>> whatever tactics would wear down the community enough to keep his spot.
>> When sleepers take the other road from Josh, which is "i wasn't sleeping"
>> or "I just fell asleep while i was hacking this uh circuitboard thingy"
>> it's just as problematic, because when people reduce their sleeping
>> quantity/quality to avoid losing their sleeping spot, they get crazy.
>> sleeping is important to clear the brain of toxins, and when people don't
>> get enough sleep they actually get schizophrenic.  read this:
>> http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp2013174a.html
>> schizophrenics suffer from an inability to get autophagy, or the cleaning
>> of the brain, even if they sleep enough.  When we allow people to depend on
>> noisebridge as their sleeping space, they either become aggressively
>> defensive of their turf (like Josh) or they hide in the shadows catching
>> minimal sleep (like Rayc) and become gradually more and more insane.
>> Both of these behaviors are destructive to our safe space and take away
>> from our ability to have a nice hackerspace where we can gather as a
>> community.  The solution is to refuse entry to noisebridge by people who
>> use the space as a sleeping place.
>> If anyone has a problem with disallowing people from the space who are
>> known to sleep there, I recommend that they invite these people into their
>> own homes instead of being hypocritical and making it everyone else's
>> problem.
>> -jake
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