[Noisebridge-discuss] why is sleeping at noisebridge a problem?

Al Sweigart asweigart at gmail.com
Thu Mar 6 06:14:33 UTC 2014


Charles, I know it's fun to make jokes, but this is an issue that a lot of
people would like to have serious discussion about. We welcome your input,
but keep the comedy to a minimum.

-Al


On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:09 PM, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:

> And yes, all of us schizophrenics are such terrible people. We are such
> terrible people and should just sit in our apartments and smoke all day
> long.
>
> So everyone at the NSA, or otherwise, can tapp their phones while they are
> off, and so everyone can freak out.
>
> Maybe I should buy a $10 burner phone, for "insurance."
>
> Just incase.
>
>
> On 5 March 2014 22:07, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dude, sleepers are NSA agents.
>>
>> This has been established.
>>
>> Lets use better crytpo-language.
>>
>>
>> On 5 March 2014 21:36, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I pretty much agree.  I still think we need more people around ALL THE
>>> TIME to solve these issues with the way noisebridge is designed.  We simply
>>> don't have enough right now.  We are talking about some house rules for
>>> noisebridge which may or may not address this issue.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:26 PM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I am disturbed to see that people still don't understand why it's a
>>>> problem that people sleep at noisebridge.
>>>>
>>>> It's not because it's against the lease, although this is true.  It's
>>>> because it fucks up our ability to have a hackerspace and submerges us in
>>>> roommate drama.  seriously.
>>>>
>>>> San Francisco is a very expensive place to rent a room.  This means
>>>> that any place people can sleep for free is very valuable.  As long as
>>>> noisebridge allows people to sleep, those people will be very strongly
>>>> motivated to maintain their access to that sleeping space, regardless of
>>>> the consequences to the culture and function of that space in general.  It
>>>> seems that Josh/N0_HAT was/is defending his "turf" with aggression and
>>>> whatever tactics would wear down the community enough to keep his spot.
>>>>
>>>> When sleepers take the other road from Josh, which is "i wasn't
>>>> sleeping" or "I just fell asleep while i was hacking this uh circuitboard
>>>> thingy" it's just as problematic, because when people reduce their sleeping
>>>> quantity/quality to avoid losing their sleeping spot, they get crazy.
>>>>
>>>> sleeping is important to clear the brain of toxins, and when people
>>>> don't get enough sleep they actually get schizophrenic.  read this:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nature.com/mp/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/mp2013174a.html
>>>>
>>>> schizophrenics suffer from an inability to get autophagy, or the
>>>> cleaning of the brain, even if they sleep enough.  When we allow people to
>>>> depend on noisebridge as their sleeping space, they either become
>>>> aggressively defensive of their turf (like Josh) or they hide in the
>>>> shadows catching minimal sleep (like Rayc) and become gradually more and
>>>> more insane.
>>>>
>>>> Both of these behaviors are destructive to our safe space and take away
>>>> from our ability to have a nice hackerspace where we can gather as a
>>>> community.  The solution is to refuse entry to noisebridge by people who
>>>> use the space as a sleeping place.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone has a problem with disallowing people from the space who are
>>>> known to sleep there, I recommend that they invite these people into their
>>>> own homes instead of being hypocritical and making it everyone else's
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> -jake
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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