[Noisebridge-discuss] noisebridge / the door is fucked up
cjtang1 at asu.edu
Thu Mar 6 23:53:06 UTC 2014
Ask my neighbor. But, alright I'll take a break.
On Thursday, 6 March 2014, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> Charlie, that does not clear anything up, and isn't relevant to the
> current discussion.
> Maybe you should take a break from the mailing list for a while.
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 3:20 PM, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
> Maybe this should clear it up.
> Dave Dave! DBSASF.
> On Thursday, 6 March 2014, Al Sweigart <asweigart at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kevin: I don't want Noisebridge to become Hacker Dojo or Tech Shop. The
> bay area already has a Hacker Dojo and a Tech Shop.
> I don't require people to be "normal" (however you want to define that
> word). I don't want Noisebridge to be an monocultural club of white male
> college-educated twenty-somethings who are unaware of privilege.
> Haven't you noticed that the only people I have a problem with are the
> ones who steal things (like Pidgeon) or cuss people out/purposefully break
> things (like Dan) or monopolize the space to use as their home (like a lot
> of people in the past)? Even for those folks, I've stopped pushing to have
> them banned from the space.
> You're frame this as "Al doesn't like people who are different". That's a
> convenient narrative if you want to keep the status quo. But we've all seen
> the culture created by "Just be excellent to each other". It has good
> parts, but the bad parts are intolerable.
> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:11 PM, <bfb at riseup.net> wrote:
> > Jake and all,
> > I understand your frustration, because it's one I've had too. I think
> > there are a few people at Noisebridge who like it being a clubhouse or a
> > place with free rent (but only for their friends, not the general public,
> > of course) and use consensus so that they can prevent anyone from
> > this. For all the anarchist rhetoric, Noisebridge is the most
> > organization I've ever been a part of.
> > People sleeping overnight at the space has been a problem FOR YEARS.
> > People living out of the space and storing their personal things there
> > been a problem FOR YEARS.
> > Being unable to get rid of people who abuse and steal from others or
> > regularly get stoned/drunk/loud/unexcellent has been a problem FOR YEARS.
> > The bylaws of Noisebridge (our Constitution, as it were) state that the
> > board of directors makes all the executive decisions for the
> > It's just that the board has deferred to the consensus process in the
> > past.
> > I believe this is precisely why these problems are so hard to fix,
> > including when I served on the board in 2011.
> > Members have gotten tired of this, which is why a board that wants to
> > a more active hand in stopping these abuses has been voted in.
> > Jake, I know we're going to have to start proving ourselves with deeds
> > instead of just words, but you're a great contributor to the space.
> > Noisebridge more welcoming to hackers like you is exactly what we want to
> > do in 2014.
> > On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:29 PM, Adrian Chadd
> > <adrian.chadd at gmail.com>wrote:
> >> On 5 March 2014 23:27, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
> >> > not much, i was just stirred to action by the self-congratulatory
> >> progress
> >> > of electing a meaningless board while the ship that is noisebridge
> >> slowly
> >> > fills with sewage while waiting for a crew.
> >> >
> >> > what was i supposed to do, threaten to hold my breath until changes
> >> are
> >> > made?
> >> I believe the answer is "grab a plunger" ?
> >> (which you did, right?)
> >> -a
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