[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?

Charles Tang cjtang1 at asu.edu
Sun Mar 9 00:50:40 UTC 2014


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On 8 March 2014 16:07, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:

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> Cybermagicians living in fairy land.
>
>
> On 8 March 2014 15:45, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Yup.  The problem was some people, who no longer attend the space mostly,
>> thought that napping in the space was OK.  This lead to the grey area of "I
>> was just resting my eyes!" and sleep hacking.  Grey areas and hackers are
>> traditionally exported.   We also accept lame excuses apparently for doing
>> not excellent things.
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Romy Snowyla <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I understand but I don't understand why we keep having these sleeping
>>> debates.
>>>
>>> The terms of the lease make it all clear.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  Yes.
>>> Jeffrey
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Curtis Gagliardi <
>>> gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Speaking of which, there were 3 homeless people there last night, one
>>>> of which was super sketchy and I wanted to ask to leave but I didn't really
>>>> know how to go about it.  Is not hacking on anything grounds for kicking
>>>> someone out?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Romy Snowyla <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  It's so awesome that noise bridge is having a discussion about
>>>>> making noise bridge attractive to hackers.
>>>>>
>>>>> NB is not a social work center or a church .. Turning hackers into
>>>>> social workers is not the answer
>>>>>
>>>>> It was founded as a hacker space.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rad discussion
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Dean Mao <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  I don't just mean members only from 11pm to 10am.  I mean, nobody is
>>>>> allowed in the space between those times.  The Hacker Dojo is supposed to
>>>>> be members only from 10pm to 8am, but there's always people who sneak in to
>>>>> sleep there.  In the early days of the Dojo, the last member to leave would
>>>>> kick everyone out and put a deadbolt in the door.  We never had a problem
>>>>> with finding sleepy people in the morning!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <
>>>>> jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> We did that mere months ago - made the space members only from 11pm
>>>>>> to 10am - but the trial was cut short by "associate membership", the
>>>>>> policies of which don't seem to be panning out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the members-only hours should have been given their full
>>>>>> three-month trial run before attempting something else.
>>>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Dean Mao <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe the best way is to have the hackerspace close it's doors
>>>>>>> around 1am and reopen at 9am.  This was done at the south bay hackerspace
>>>>>>> when we didn't have doors that could be opened from the inside.  I remember
>>>>>>> I had to ask people sleeping to leave because I was about to lock up.  It
>>>>>>> was definitely a good way to prevent people from staying overnight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Dana <dana-lists at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 2014-03-05 15:25, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Right, we need more people around all the time.  That is basically
>>>>>>>>> the solution to everything.  I would like to possibly propose that
>>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>>> setup a scheduling system where we can ensure 24 hour coverage of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> space.  If we can't get 24 hour coverage, we need to figure out a
>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>> to deal with those situations.  I like having the space open but
>>>>>>>>> having the space open with no one excellent there is pretty much
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>> excellent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> +1 I think community/human solutions have worked best at improving
>>>>>>>> NB's troubles, but how do we sustain them? They come in fits and starts
>>>>>>>> (rebase, docents, cleaning, coming by at early hours), but are very
>>>>>>>> challenging and tedious, it's easy to get discouraged and burn out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Whatever of the state of the space, new people hear about
>>>>>>>> Noisebridge and come by to learn from classes and workshops, which are
>>>>>>>> excellent and I think more isolated from a lot of drama. Lately I worry
>>>>>>>> that even classes are threatened because infrastructure has decayed to the
>>>>>>>> point where hosting a workshop is a challenge. You no longer know if there
>>>>>>>> will be a working bathroom, a stable internet connection or a roll of
>>>>>>>> solder (and it's frustrating to donate parts or dedicate time to fix things
>>>>>>>> when they go missing or are left in disarray the next time you come by).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Dean Mao
>>>>>>> dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>> Come visit us, we love new people!
>>>>>>> www.hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dean Mao
>>>>> dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
>>>>> Come visit us, we love new people!
>>>>> www.hackerdojo.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>> --
>> Ronald Cotoni
>> Systems Engineer
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