[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?

Charles Tang cjtang1 at asu.edu
Sun Mar 9 00:50:51 UTC 2014


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On 8 March 2014 16:50, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:

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> On 8 March 2014 16:07, Charles Tang <cjtang1 at asu.edu> wrote:
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>> Cybermagicians living in fairy land.
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>> On 8 March 2014 15:45, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>> Yup.  The problem was some people, who no longer attend the space
>>> mostly, thought that napping in the space was OK.  This lead to the grey
>>> area of "I was just resting my eyes!" and sleep hacking.  Grey areas and
>>> hackers are traditionally exported.   We also accept lame excuses
>>> apparently for doing not excellent things.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 3:08 PM, Romy Snowyla <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I understand but I don't understand why we keep having these sleeping
>>>> debates.
>>>>
>>>> The terms of the lease make it all clear.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>> On Mar 8, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Jeffrey Carl Faden" <jeffreyatw at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  Yes.
>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Curtis Gagliardi <
>>>> gagliardi.curtis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Speaking of which, there were 3 homeless people there last night, one
>>>>> of which was super sketchy and I wanted to ask to leave but I didn't really
>>>>> know how to go about it.  Is not hacking on anything grounds for kicking
>>>>> someone out?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Romy Snowyla <romy at snowyla.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  It's so awesome that noise bridge is having a discussion about
>>>>>> making noise bridge attractive to hackers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NB is not a social work center or a church .. Turning hackers into
>>>>>> social workers is not the answer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was founded as a hacker space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rad discussion
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 7, 2014, at 9:48 PM, Dean Mao <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  I don't just mean members only from 11pm to 10am.  I mean, nobody
>>>>>> is allowed in the space between those times.  The Hacker Dojo is supposed
>>>>>> to be members only from 10pm to 8am, but there's always people who sneak in
>>>>>> to sleep there.  In the early days of the Dojo, the last member to leave
>>>>>> would kick everyone out and put a deadbolt in the door.  We never had a
>>>>>> problem with finding sleepy people in the morning!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Jeffrey Carl Faden <
>>>>>> jeffreyatw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We did that mere months ago - made the space members only from 11pm
>>>>>>> to 10am - but the trial was cut short by "associate membership", the
>>>>>>> policies of which don't seem to be panning out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the members-only hours should have been given their full
>>>>>>> three-month trial run before attempting something else.
>>>>>>> Jeffrey
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:05 AM, Dean Mao <dean.mao at hackerdojo.com>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe the best way is to have the hackerspace close it's doors
>>>>>>>> around 1am and reopen at 9am.  This was done at the south bay hackerspace
>>>>>>>> when we didn't have doors that could be opened from the inside.  I remember
>>>>>>>> I had to ask people sleeping to leave because I was about to lock up.  It
>>>>>>>> was definitely a good way to prevent people from staying overnight.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 7:13 PM, Dana <dana-lists at sonic.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 2014-03-05 15:25, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Right, we need more people around all the time.  That is basically
>>>>>>>>>> the solution to everything.  I would like to possibly propose
>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>> setup a scheduling system where we can ensure 24 hour coverage of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> space.  If we can't get 24 hour coverage, we need to figure out a
>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>> to deal with those situations.  I like having the space open but
>>>>>>>>>> having the space open with no one excellent there is pretty much
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>> excellent.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> +1 I think community/human solutions have worked best at improving
>>>>>>>>> NB's troubles, but how do we sustain them? They come in fits and starts
>>>>>>>>> (rebase, docents, cleaning, coming by at early hours), but are very
>>>>>>>>> challenging and tedious, it's easy to get discouraged and burn out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Whatever of the state of the space, new people hear about
>>>>>>>>> Noisebridge and come by to learn from classes and workshops, which are
>>>>>>>>> excellent and I think more isolated from a lot of drama. Lately I worry
>>>>>>>>> that even classes are threatened because infrastructure has decayed to the
>>>>>>>>> point where hosting a workshop is a challenge. You no longer know if there
>>>>>>>>> will be a working bathroom, a stable internet connection or a roll of
>>>>>>>>> solder (and it's frustrating to donate parts or dedicate time to fix things
>>>>>>>>> when they go missing or are left in disarray the next time you come by).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Dean Mao
>>>>>>>> dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>>> Come visit us, we love new people!
>>>>>>>> www.hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Dean Mao
>>>>>> dean.mao at hackerdojo.com
>>>>>> Come visit us, we love new people!
>>>>>> www.hackerdojo.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>> Ronald Cotoni
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