[Noisebridge-discuss] why would hackers come to noisebridge?
adrian.chadd at gmail.com
Tue Mar 18 02:53:27 UTC 2014
I believe this is why hackers form hacker spaces.
The downside to not having a great ruling council of trusted dictators is
that you can end up having one group hijack by playing the rules.
One of many things here is that people can't just get along. There's never
like, polite nonthreatening equality. You're seeing a whole swath of
different polarized groups smash it out. This isn't a new interaction- us
foreigners have watched it go down in the US for quite some time.
Yes your points about bad behaviors that should be fixed.. Should be fixed.
If someone tried pulling the racial stereotype crap here I bet they'd be
banned. I thought there was more to the tattoo guy story than just the
tattoos. Yes, there are some very radical reactions that I also believe are
bad for a group. But.. If you can find enough like minded people come to
those meetings and debate it.
Time to get back to hacking.
On Mar 17, 2014 7:47 PM, "LinkReincarnate" <linkreincarnate at gmail.com>
> So, whether or not their feelings match the shared hallucination we
> call reality isn't the point.
> But that is exactly the point isn't it. Why should we be bending over
> backwards to accommodate people who aren't grounded in reality instead of
> checking and realigning that perception to reality. Just because a new
> space was created does not mean that the reasoning for doing so is valid.
> It also doesn't follow that everyone joining that space is doing so for the
> same reasons as the founders founded it. Plus there is another kink to
> this situation and that is the new hackerspace is women only. Curves gym
> does well too, does that mean all other gyms are cesspools of scum
> and villainy? (Better not quote Star Wars, it has incest in it...) Don't
> even get me started on the irony of starting a gender based hackerspace as
> a solution to sexism.
> Let me give you an example from a previous hackerspace. I was showed up
> with a couple of my friends. I asked them to go inside while I lockup the
> car. As I enter a woman comes out from the back of the hackerspace, sees
> my friends and panics because she is racist and thinks they are robbing the
> place. Should I give in to her feelings and leave because she is
> uncomfortable around black men? Or do I tell her to grow the fuck up and
> quit being racist? Or that whole guy with the racist tattoos thing. Now
> that he's been banned I guess it's ok to say that he only got
> the tattoos to prevent himself from being raped by
> white supremacist gangs and had 2 tattoo removals that never quite got rid
> of them. It is common for these gangs to place these tattoos on people
> under duress in very visible locations as a billboard for their movement.
> He hates those people for branding him and hates having to explain his
> tatts but he makes people FEEL unsafe so excluding him is moral right?
> Lets not forget that feelings exist on both sides. How do you think my
> friends felt when they were responded to as a threat. What about the prison
> tat guy? Think his feelings were taken into account? The problem is that
> one viewpoint has become a sacred cow and any dissent is punished with
> public shaming , ganging up on, and banning. Its like high school all over
> again if you do not prove you are part of the tribe by agreeing with
> their viewpoints the othering begins Is there any question why nerds and
> geeks want to stay away from that
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:05 PM, LinkReincarnate <
> linkreincarnate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Also please elaborate on who is using a group of people in the space as
>> the objects of a hack? What you seem to be implying is that people who
>> think differently from you are dangerous and physically violent and the
>> only way to prevent them from hurting people is to police their speech.
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:02 PM, spinach williams <
>> spinach.williams at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> what questions am i avoiding?
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