[Noisebridge-discuss] why cointelpro2.0 kills community

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Thu Mar 27 09:00:19 UTC 2014


These criticisms were levied at the entire board.  And they are worth
considering.  You don't have to be "sent" by the government to be
actively enabling the sorts of things that it likes to do.

Tom, I know you're trying to do good.  I really believe that about
you.  But you are too eager to legislate.  Your legislation trigger
finger is super itchy, and that gun goes off well before your moral
compass circuit has had a chance to even come online.

And please, usual cast of characters: fight the urge to
knee-jerk-react to my words in a way that makes it obvious that you
think that if a person is promoting caution, that means they're
anti-rules, pro-drugs, pro-sleeping-in-the-space, etc.  I'm so sick of
it.  I cannot believe you all think you are intelligent when you do
that.

--Naomi


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 1:18 AM, Tom Lowenthal <me at tomlowenthal.com> wrote:
> In March 2014, Jacob Appelbaum <jacob at appelbaum.net> wrote:
>> I'm really heartbroken to see that Noisebridge has been taken over by
>> petty tinpot dictators who basically hijacked our little non-profit
>> because they were too incompetent and lazy to start their own. The
>> worst is that some of the best Noisebridge folks were played by some
>> really awful folks with awful intentions.
>>
>> In a sense, I think it is sad: Many people have poured their hearts,
>> their wallets and their lives into Noisebridge.
>>
>> In a sense, I think it is deserved: We failed to stop informants,
>> infiltrators and other jerks from ruining our community.
>
> Hi Jake,
>
> We disagree about a bunch of things. I think we agree about far more
> than we disagree, but this discussion is about a disagreement.
>
> Clearly, we disagree about what's best for Noisebridge and how best to
> achieve that. I'm not replying to convince you my opinion is right. I
> don't think we could productively discuss that on a mailing list, or
> perhaps even by email at all.
>
> I think that the criticisms in your message are aimed at me. If
> they're not, and it's someone else you're calling an awful person, a
> petty tinpot dictator, an informant, an infiltrator, a lazy and
> incompetent hijacker with awful intentions, then I apologise. Sadly, I
> think you're talking about me.
>
> It makes me sad that you think I'm a bad person because I disagree
> with you about this. I'm sad that you think my opinions are so wrong
> and so far from what's reasonable or plausible that the only
> explanation which makes sense to you is that I am a spy and a saboteur
> sent by your enemies to ruin something you love.
>
> I love Noisebridge too. I want Noisebridge to be an effective
> infrastructure provider for technical-creative projects. I want
> Noisebridge to be a place where locals love to work and people from
> all over the world enjoy visiting. I disagree with you about how to do
> that.
>
> I wish you could respect my intentions and disagree with my approach
> rather than calling me a saboteur and a spy.
>
> In respect and disappointment,
> -Tom
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