[Noisebridge-discuss] why cointelpro2.0 kills community

Kevin Schiesser bfb at riseup.net
Fri Mar 28 02:57:16 UTC 2014


Leif Ryge:
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 01:18:11AM -0700, Tom Lowenthal wrote:
>> I think that the criticisms in your message are aimed at me. If
>> they're not, and it's someone else you're calling an awful person, a
>> petty tinpot dictator, an informant, an infiltrator, a lazy and
>> incompetent hijacker with awful intentions, then I apologise. Sadly, I
>> think you're talking about me.
> 
> I think the informant part, at least, was likely referring to Ronald Cotoni
> (who you and Al decided was a member over my objections[1]) since he is
> actually known to have been an FBI informant[2].
> 
> 1: https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-February/042246.html
> 2: https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-April/030267.html
> 
> I do think you're acting like a dictator. I don't have any reason to believe
> you're a state-sponsored infiltrator, other than that your actions are
> consistent with someone intent on destroying a community organization and that
> is a thing states sometimes covertly do. It also seems plausible that you're
> just doing this for the lulz.
> 
> I appreciate and agree with Rachel1.0's recent "assume good faith" message, and
> I generally try to do that. Unfortunately, I stopped doing that with you, Tom,
> sometime last year when you told me quite plainly, in the context of a
> discussion about creating new policies at Noisebridge, that you are a "giant
> troll". You literally said to me "You do know that I'm a giant troll, don't
> you?". (I was surprised to learn this, and said as much.)
> 
> I regret that I haven't spent much of my recent time and energy on preventing
> your bureaucratic process-trolling of Noisebridge. Living far away, as I do
> now, has a lot to do with it, but I do still love Noisebridge and it saddens me
> to watch your attempts at destroying it.
> 
> My recommendation to the members of Noisebridge is to have a new board
> election, and elect people who aren't process fetishists. You shouldn't need
> Tom's permission to do this, though I expect he'll tell you that you do.
> Removing Tom's membership would also be prudent, since he has clearly shown
> that he doesn't respect our consensus process.
> 
> ~leif
> 
> ps: what's the story here?
> https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Consensus_Items_History&diff=40845&oldid=40844

I would also like to hear why Tom reverted my edit to our history. We
were both at the same meeting where James blocked N0_Hat's banning. JC
and I stood aside.

I would also like to hear why Tom closed consensus on publishing the
member list, despite James also blocking these proposals.

Thank you for noticing,
Kevin

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