[Noisebridge-discuss] why cointelpro2.0 kills community

Ronald Cotoni setient at gmail.com
Fri Mar 28 03:26:51 UTC 2014


Also, Jake.  It looks like Tor is partially funded by the US Government.
https://www.torproject.org/about/sponsors.html.en  Does this make you a fed?


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:

> I was at the meeting for banning josh.  Initially it was consensed upon 2
> or 3 times but I kept continuing the discussion (as I was moderating).
>  It was decided to put it off till the next week and I thought it was.  I
> had 3 stand asides originally, including James.   I kept asking because it
> felt like you wanted someone else to block and no one would actually do it.
>  That was mildly unexcellent behavior.
>
> As for the membership list, I think Tom removed the consensus item to
> rethink it or perhaps make it a board based decision.
>
> Leif, please reread that email I sent to Jake.  I want to respond in a
> less emotional manner so I plan on responding later.  Basic thing: I
> believe that law enforcement (with our current society and the way humanity
> currently exists) should be contacted on a case by case basis.  I would
> contact law enforcement if I found a dead body for example.  That makes
> sense to me.  lets talk sometime!
>
> Jake same to you as to what I said to Leif.   I do respect you but lets
> come up with solutions and find better ways.
>
> I think I will write a not emotional blog post at some point addressing
> both of you since I completely agree with both of you in that is the way
> humanity should be and how I think we can get to that point.
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:12 PM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1...
>>
>>
>> Message ends
>> _______________
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
>> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 01:18:11AM -0700, Tom Lowenthal wrote:
>> >> I think that the criticisms in your message are aimed at me. If
>> >> they're not, and it's someone else you're calling an awful person, a
>> >> petty tinpot dictator, an informant, an infiltrator, a lazy and
>> >> incompetent hijacker with awful intentions, then I apologise. Sadly, I
>> >> think you're talking about me.
>> >
>> > I think the informant part, at least, was likely referring to Ronald
>> Cotoni
>> > (who you and Al decided was a member over my objections[1]) since he is
>> > actually known to have been an FBI informant[2].
>> >
>> > 1:
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-February/042246.html
>> > 2:
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-April/030267.html
>> >
>> > I do think you're acting like a dictator. I don't have any reason to
>> believe
>> > you're a state-sponsored infiltrator, other than that your actions are
>> > consistent with someone intent on destroying a community organization
>> and that
>> > is a thing states sometimes covertly do. It also seems plausible that
>> you're
>> > just doing this for the lulz.
>> >
>> > I appreciate and agree with Rachel1.0's recent "assume good faith"
>> message, and
>> > I generally try to do that. Unfortunately, I stopped doing that with
>> you, Tom,
>> > sometime last year when you told me quite plainly, in the context of a
>> > discussion about creating new policies at Noisebridge, that you are a
>> "giant
>> > troll". You literally said to me "You do know that I'm a giant troll,
>> don't
>> > you?". (I was surprised to learn this, and said as much.)
>> >
>> > I regret that I haven't spent much of my recent time and energy on
>> preventing
>> > your bureaucratic process-trolling of Noisebridge. Living far away, as
>> I do
>> > now, has a lot to do with it, but I do still love Noisebridge and it
>> saddens me
>> > to watch your attempts at destroying it.
>> >
>> > My recommendation to the members of Noisebridge is to have a new board
>> > election, and elect people who aren't process fetishists. You shouldn't
>> need
>> > Tom's permission to do this, though I expect he'll tell you that you do.
>> > Removing Tom's membership would also be prudent, since he has clearly
>> shown
>> > that he doesn't respect our consensus process.
>> >
>> > ~leif
>> >
>> > ps: what's the story here?
>> >
>> https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Consensus_Items_History&diff=40845&oldid=40844
>> >
>>
>> --
>>
>> *~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
>>
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>
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> Ronald Cotoni
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