[Noisebridge-discuss] why cointelpro2.0 kills community

openfly openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd
Fri Mar 28 03:31:52 UTC 2014


Ronald man, aren't you an informant?

http://www.reverse.net/operationcyberslam.pdf

-openfly


On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:26:51PM -0700, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
> Also, Jake.  It looks like Tor is partially funded by the US Government.
> https://www.torproject.org/about/sponsors.html.en  Does this make you a fed?
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I was at the meeting for banning josh.  Initially it was consensed upon 2
> > or 3 times but I kept continuing the discussion (as I was moderating).
> >  It was decided to put it off till the next week and I thought it was.  I
> > had 3 stand asides originally, including James.   I kept asking because it
> > felt like you wanted someone else to block and no one would actually do it.
> >  That was mildly unexcellent behavior.
> >
> > As for the membership list, I think Tom removed the consensus item to
> > rethink it or perhaps make it a board based decision.
> >
> > Leif, please reread that email I sent to Jake.  I want to respond in a
> > less emotional manner so I plan on responding later.  Basic thing: I
> > believe that law enforcement (with our current society and the way humanity
> > currently exists) should be contacted on a case by case basis.  I would
> > contact law enforcement if I found a dead body for example.  That makes
> > sense to me.  lets talk sometime!
> >
> > Jake same to you as to what I said to Leif.   I do respect you but lets
> > come up with solutions and find better ways.
> >
> > I think I will write a not emotional blog post at some point addressing
> > both of you since I completely agree with both of you in that is the way
> > humanity should be and how I think we can get to that point.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:12 PM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> +1...
> >>
> >>
> >> Message ends
> >> _______________
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 01:18:11AM -0700, Tom Lowenthal wrote:
> >> >> I think that the criticisms in your message are aimed at me. If
> >> >> they're not, and it's someone else you're calling an awful person, a
> >> >> petty tinpot dictator, an informant, an infiltrator, a lazy and
> >> >> incompetent hijacker with awful intentions, then I apologise. Sadly, I
> >> >> think you're talking about me.
> >> >
> >> > I think the informant part, at least, was likely referring to Ronald
> >> Cotoni
> >> > (who you and Al decided was a member over my objections[1]) since he is
> >> > actually known to have been an FBI informant[2].
> >> >
> >> > 1:
> >> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-February/042246.html
> >> > 2:
> >> https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-April/030267.html
> >> >
> >> > I do think you're acting like a dictator. I don't have any reason to
> >> believe
> >> > you're a state-sponsored infiltrator, other than that your actions are
> >> > consistent with someone intent on destroying a community organization
> >> and that
> >> > is a thing states sometimes covertly do. It also seems plausible that
> >> you're
> >> > just doing this for the lulz.
> >> >
> >> > I appreciate and agree with Rachel1.0's recent "assume good faith"
> >> message, and
> >> > I generally try to do that. Unfortunately, I stopped doing that with
> >> you, Tom,
> >> > sometime last year when you told me quite plainly, in the context of a
> >> > discussion about creating new policies at Noisebridge, that you are a
> >> "giant
> >> > troll". You literally said to me "You do know that I'm a giant troll,
> >> don't
> >> > you?". (I was surprised to learn this, and said as much.)
> >> >
> >> > I regret that I haven't spent much of my recent time and energy on
> >> preventing
> >> > your bureaucratic process-trolling of Noisebridge. Living far away, as
> >> I do
> >> > now, has a lot to do with it, but I do still love Noisebridge and it
> >> saddens me
> >> > to watch your attempts at destroying it.
> >> >
> >> > My recommendation to the members of Noisebridge is to have a new board
> >> > election, and elect people who aren't process fetishists. You shouldn't
> >> need
> >> > Tom's permission to do this, though I expect he'll tell you that you do.
> >> > Removing Tom's membership would also be prudent, since he has clearly
> >> shown
> >> > that he doesn't respect our consensus process.
> >> >
> >> > ~leif
> >> >
> >> > ps: what's the story here?
> >> >
> >> https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Consensus_Items_History&diff=40845&oldid=40844
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> *~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
> >>
> >>
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> >
> >
> > --
> > Ronald Cotoni
> > Systems Engineer
> >
> 
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> Ronald Cotoni
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