[Noisebridge-discuss] why cointelpro2.0 kills community

openfly openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd
Fri Mar 28 03:38:59 UTC 2014


Pretty much,

  especially since half of defcon thinks jake is an informant for a three
letter agency, including most of the loose lipped feds.

-openfly

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:36:38PM -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> Yes, Ronald, tell us. ARE YOU OR HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A MEMBER OF THE
> COMMUNIST PARTY?
> 
> (Sheesh, this thread is getting ridiculous.)
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:31 PM, openfly <openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd
> > wrote:
> 
> >
> > Ronald man, aren't you an informant?
> >
> > http://www.reverse.net/operationcyberslam.pdf
> >
> > -openfly
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 08:26:51PM -0700, Ronald Cotoni wrote:
> > > Also, Jake.  It looks like Tor is partially funded by the US Government.
> > > https://www.torproject.org/about/sponsors.html.en  Does this make you a
> > fed?
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:22 PM, Ronald Cotoni <setient at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I was at the meeting for banning josh.  Initially it was consensed
> > upon 2
> > > > or 3 times but I kept continuing the discussion (as I was moderating).
> > > >  It was decided to put it off till the next week and I thought it was.
> >  I
> > > > had 3 stand asides originally, including James.   I kept asking
> > because it
> > > > felt like you wanted someone else to block and no one would actually
> > do it.
> > > >  That was mildly unexcellent behavior.
> > > >
> > > > As for the membership list, I think Tom removed the consensus item to
> > > > rethink it or perhaps make it a board based decision.
> > > >
> > > > Leif, please reread that email I sent to Jake.  I want to respond in a
> > > > less emotional manner so I plan on responding later.  Basic thing: I
> > > > believe that law enforcement (with our current society and the way
> > humanity
> > > > currently exists) should be contacted on a case by case basis.  I would
> > > > contact law enforcement if I found a dead body for example.  That makes
> > > > sense to me.  lets talk sometime!
> > > >
> > > > Jake same to you as to what I said to Leif.   I do respect you but lets
> > > > come up with solutions and find better ways.
> > > >
> > > > I think I will write a not emotional blog post at some point addressing
> > > > both of you since I completely agree with both of you in that is the
> > way
> > > > humanity should be and how I think we can get to that point.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 8:12 PM, maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> +1...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> Message ends
> > > >> _______________
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thursday, March 27, 2014, Leif Ryge <leif at synthesize.us> wrote:
> > > >> > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 01:18:11AM -0700, Tom Lowenthal wrote:
> > > >> >> I think that the criticisms in your message are aimed at me. If
> > > >> >> they're not, and it's someone else you're calling an awful person,
> > a
> > > >> >> petty tinpot dictator, an informant, an infiltrator, a lazy and
> > > >> >> incompetent hijacker with awful intentions, then I apologise.
> > Sadly, I
> > > >> >> think you're talking about me.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I think the informant part, at least, was likely referring to Ronald
> > > >> Cotoni
> > > >> > (who you and Al decided was a member over my objections[1]) since
> > he is
> > > >> > actually known to have been an FBI informant[2].
> > > >> >
> > > >> > 1:
> > > >>
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2014-February/042246.html
> > > >> > 2:
> > > >>
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2012-April/030267.html
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I do think you're acting like a dictator. I don't have any reason to
> > > >> believe
> > > >> > you're a state-sponsored infiltrator, other than that your actions
> > are
> > > >> > consistent with someone intent on destroying a community
> > organization
> > > >> and that
> > > >> > is a thing states sometimes covertly do. It also seems plausible
> > that
> > > >> you're
> > > >> > just doing this for the lulz.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I appreciate and agree with Rachel1.0's recent "assume good faith"
> > > >> message, and
> > > >> > I generally try to do that. Unfortunately, I stopped doing that with
> > > >> you, Tom,
> > > >> > sometime last year when you told me quite plainly, in the context
> > of a
> > > >> > discussion about creating new policies at Noisebridge, that you are
> > a
> > > >> "giant
> > > >> > troll". You literally said to me "You do know that I'm a giant
> > troll,
> > > >> don't
> > > >> > you?". (I was surprised to learn this, and said as much.)
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I regret that I haven't spent much of my recent time and energy on
> > > >> preventing
> > > >> > your bureaucratic process-trolling of Noisebridge. Living far away,
> > as
> > > >> I do
> > > >> > now, has a lot to do with it, but I do still love Noisebridge and it
> > > >> saddens me
> > > >> > to watch your attempts at destroying it.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > My recommendation to the members of Noisebridge is to have a new
> > board
> > > >> > election, and elect people who aren't process fetishists. You
> > shouldn't
> > > >> need
> > > >> > Tom's permission to do this, though I expect he'll tell you that
> > you do.
> > > >> > Removing Tom's membership would also be prudent, since he has
> > clearly
> > > >> shown
> > > >> > that he doesn't respect our consensus process.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ~leif
> > > >> >
> > > >> > ps: what's the story here?
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > https://www.noisebridge.net/index.php?title=Consensus_Items_History&diff=40845&oldid=40844
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >>
> > > >> *~the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear...*
> > > >>
> > > >>
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> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Ronald Cotoni
> > > > Systems Engineer
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Ronald Cotoni
> > > Systems Engineer
> >
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