[Noisebridge-discuss] All I want is 51% :)

openfly openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd
Sat Mar 29 01:12:40 UTC 2014


Everything you said, is in point of fact by definition of consensus on wikipedia,
and every dictionary i could find, including the venerable oxford english
dictionary...   False.

So... there's that.

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 04:47:47PM -0700, Henner Zeller wrote:
> On 28 March 2014 16:37, openfly <openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd> wrote:
> > FTR by all definitions of consensus in existence on earth, majority vote
> > IS consensus.
> 
> No.
> 
> Consensus in the decision-making-sense is well defined and essentially
> the right to veto or everyone silently agreeing.
> If there are n people in the room and consent on something they might
> either violently agree or not care, which passes consensus.
> If there is only one person who disagrees enough to veto, then the
> item is not accepted and need to be kept discussed.
> Ideally, this reaches more stable communities, but it requires that
> people actively give a shit about the well-being of the community.
> 
> This is vastly different from majority vote.
> 
> -h
> 
> >
> > so.... I am confused.
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 12:00:15PM -0700, Al Sweigart wrote:
> >> Really, I just want the membership to be able to pass/block things based on
> >> majority vote. If we got that, there'd be no need for me to be on the board
> >> and I'd resign. All the other stuff in those proposals from the board I'm
> >> either neutral about or don't think they were deal-breakers.
> >>
> >> It's not that all of Noisebridge's problems would be solved if we got rid
> >> of consensus, it's that all of Noisebridge's problems would become
> >> _solvable_.
> >>
> >> Consensus is what lets a single person walk in to a meeting an hour or two
> >> late and block something that would have otherwise passed. Talk about what
> >> "true" consensus is supposed to be, but this is what it is in practice and
> >> has been for the last five years. My thoughts have been that most members
> >> are against things like people sleeping and living at the space, but
> >> they've been kept from fixing those problems because it only takes one
> >> person to veto any changes.
> >>
> >> But if a majority of people (even at this point, when a lot of people have
> >> left NB or are staying away (see also, Double Union)) wanted things like
> >> sleep hacking and consensus, I'd just agree to disagree but acknowledge
> >> that that is what Noisebridge wants.
> >>
> >> -Al
> >
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