[Noisebridge-discuss] Noisebridge as "facility"

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Sat May 3 05:07:46 UTC 2014


OK, thanks.  I think you are right.

In response to something hep said that I didn't respond to before:

> How exactly do you intend to make a decision regarding this discussion, what is the bar for either way that decision goes (ie number of posts on the mailing list supporting one vision or another? vote at a meeting? how exactly will this question be answered?)


This thread was only intended to provoke discussion, to take the
current temperature, and to see if this mailing list can be convinced
to narrow focus of a conversation down to a single philosophical
point.

If the discussion ended up demonstrating some kind of consensus, then
wow, that would have been interesting. That would have been the basis
of a Direction.  It didn't, though, and that's okay.

--Naomi


On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 2:54 PM, openfly
<openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd> wrote:
> Treating Noisebridge as a facility would destroy noisebridge.
>
> Firstly for all of the reasons Heph brought up.
>
> Second because operating a public library in the mission would be not fun in the extreme.
>
> Making it a public facility will only promote the worst behaviors among those who
> frequent the space.  Consider the community dead.  No more trust.
>
> Heck why not just declare it the noisebridge co-working space at that point.
>
> You can't just build it and hope they come... you build something and you get
> whatever happens to show up.  In the mission that will be meth addicts and
> the mentally ill.  If you want a hackerspace... with actual hackers...
> you need to build a community of hackers and EVERYTHING including the space
> will follow.
>
> So, fuck the facilities.  You could run a better hackerspace out of a coffee
> shop.  It's all about the people.
>
> -openfly
>
>
> On Fri, May 02, 2014 at 11:22:59AM -0700, Naomi Most wrote:
>> Can you unpack your statements a little? It's actually not clear which
>> "this" you are referring to when you say "this would destroy
>> Noisebridge."
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 2, 2014 at 8:11 AM, openfly
>> <openfly at xn--kgbed8a0h.xn--ngbc5azd> wrote:
>> >
>> > This would destroy noisebridge, and is in fact the mindset that has caused so many problems for you.
>> >
>> > I am not surprised you people are blind to this fact.
>> >
>> > -openfly
>> >
>> > On Sun, Apr 27, 2014 at 09:48:13AM -0700, Johny Radio wrote:
>> >> Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> "Should we make people who don't make an effort to understand the
>> >> technology we are making available feel unwelcome, to avoid this kind
>> >> of drama?"
>> >>
>> >> YES.
>> >>
>> >> "Or should we embrace the idea of being a community facility, and
>> >> honestly seek to keep available the "services" (such as public
>> >> internet terminals) that some people have come to rely on?"
>> >>
>> >> YES. As long as those people come to NB to learn, teach, hack, or make.
>> >>
>> >> PS I thought the kitchen was intentionally sabotaged with the knowledge of everyone on this list, specifically to stop abuse of the space by non hackers. I'm fine with that.
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