[Noisebridge-discuss] cron job email or real event?

Jake jake at spaz.org
Thu May 8 18:49:07 UTC 2014

sorry, i didn't notice that you were opening other threads and thought 
that this was all you had to say about johny's complaints.

i still feel that there needs to be much better treatment of people 
enumerating problems than there is, including your reception of johny's 
post.  Being supportive of one another when we are trying to make 
improvements is essential.  The alternative, what is happening, is that 
people don't want to help because they just get yelled at.


On Thu, 8 May 2014, Naomi Most wrote:

> No, I commented that the majority of his grievances came down to his
> personal opinions of a handful of people.
> I have now devoted several new email threads TO Johny's complaints, in
> what I hope is a very constructive manner.  I'd say that's the polar
> opposite of dismissing someone's concerns irrelevant.
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:30 AM, Jake <jake at spaz.org> wrote:
>> Naomi,
>> when I read Johny's post I was glad that someone else was noticing things
>> that I consider problems.  Yes some of the things on the list might seem
>> less important than others, depending on who is reading them.
>> I believe that when a person presents a list of complaints like this, rather
>> than telling the person that their grievances are invalid because you don't
>> agree with some of them, we should try to talk about the problems we can
>> agree on.
>> The main reason I can't continue trying to help noisebridge is because when
>> I complained about things, i was attacked and my complaints mocked.
>> you just told johny his list of concerns was irrelavent, in one sentence.
>> -jake
>> On Thu, 8 May 2014, Naomi Most wrote:
>>> Johny,
>>> The majority of those bulletpoints are your personal opinions about
>>> other people.
>>> --Naomi
>>> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 12:47 AM, Johny Radio <johnyradio at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From: "Naomi Most" <pnaomi at gmail.com>
>>>>> I am asking because I want to see if/how Jake's perspective has changed,
>>>>> and whether he's aware of what's already changed in a direction that he
>>>>> might like.
>>>> Naomi, i'd sure like to know what's changed for the better:
>>>> -Tonight i went to NB to look for some mosfets. There were piles upon
>>>> piles
>>>> of garbage mixed with useful parts all over the floor, worst i've ever
>>>> seen
>>>> it (some dedicated Members cleaned and organized not long ago-- all gone
>>>> to
>>>> crap).
>>>> -A non-member has, for a couple weeks or longer, been systematically
>>>> digging
>>>> through EVERYTHING in the Member stacks, taking what he wants, and
>>>> leaving
>>>> the rest all over the floor of the member stacks. It's now a complete
>>>> disaster in there.
>>>> -All the component storage cleanup and organizing i did over several
>>>> weeks
>>>> has also gone to crap. Useful stuff mixed with random junk all over the
>>>> floor, parts completely disorganized.
>>>> -A HACKER came to solder some cables (poor fool). He searched for solder
>>>> amidst the piles of garbage for half an hour and, hey, found a couple of
>>>> inches!
>>>> -I met a woman who informed me that she could not get a bed at a shelter,
>>>> so
>>>> she came to Noisebridge.
>>>> -Various other non-hacking non-members were hanging out.
>>>> -I heard there's a new Kitchen Working Group, peopled by non-hacking,
>>>> non-member kitchen-users (appointed, Vee said, by Gregory Dillon).
>>>> Gregory,
>>>> i suggest you also create a group called "Sleeping Taskforce"-- you can
>>>> appoint some squatters.
>>>> -Vee said "people who use the kitchen have laptops-- isn't that hacking?"
>>>> -I watched as a Member stretched an electric extension cord across a
>>>> walkway
>>>> (I guess he missed the email about not doing that).
>>>> So please tell us Naomi, where is the positive change you mentioned. I
>>>> can't
>>>> see it.
>>>> JAKE, is this change in the direction you'd like? Ready to come back??
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