[Noisebridge-discuss] Problem: individuals digging through Member shelves

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Thu May 8 18:52:18 UTC 2014

The Security Working Group met last week (sorry I still haven't posted
the notes -- you can log into Slack and read what's in the
#security-wg room -- a nice running commentary recorded by @crw)

We mostly agreed that the member shelves should be locked down.  Sid
disagreed on the basis that people know how to pick a lock.  My
argument is that it's easy to observe someone attempting to break a
protection, as long as the attack surfaces (i.e. the locked dors) can
be easily seen from many angles.

We also agreed that we should bring the Noisebridge Docent program
back, which would solve the problem of "who is going to observe these
things occurring."


On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 11:22 AM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
> 0.  Yes, people rifling stuff in the space who are obviously not working on
> a project of some kind is always a problem, full stop.  People leaving
> messes are a problem, full stop.
> 1 and 2.  Member shelves should be a locked resource.  Many other
> hackerspaces i've been in that has members-only access also has member
> spaces (shelves, lockers) that *lock* or that one can put locks on.  the
> lockers in place of storage cubbies are a decent idea BUT we should be
> giving at least that much respect to storage space paid for by members.  If
> i am paying money to a space, and i am going to store my project there, i
> should have a guarantee that my stuff is going to be safe.
> With regards to the stuff that is there already, many of the shelves belong
> to people whose membership has lapsed or who are out of the country or
> otherwise not coming to the space.  this is what should be done:
> - Each member should be identified and contact info found
> - Each member should be contacted and informed that the member shelf
> construct is being changed for safety reasons and that if they wish to claim
> their stuff, they should do so immediately, but in the meantime, each
> member's shelf contents will be safely boxed up and cold-stored until such
> time as the member chooses to claim it or directs someone else to handle it.
> - There should be a small controlled group owning and directing the member
> area renovation, and every person in that group should be named and contact
> info given, both in the emails to members with shelves, and generally around
> the event of the renovation.
> - Appropriate lockers should be obtained.  I imagine we can get these used
> from craigslist, or some kind of materials reclamation place in oakland, or
> from a store liquidation, or something similar.  We know enough people with
> zipcar memberships or who know a person with a truck (i know at least 2
> people with trucks).
> - Member shelf contents should be removed and stored safely and
> conscientiously, and lockers set up.
> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:09 AM, rachel lyra hospodar <rachelyra at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> This might sound drastic,
>> But what if we stopped having member shelves? What if there was less space
>> dedicated to dead hunks of crap with territorial claims over them?
>> I know it is nice to be able to leave stuff at noisebridge to work on
>> later, but stuff storage is a big can of worms and a big influence on our
>> culture and is a possible lever for change.
>> R.
>> On May 8, 2014 9:55 AM, "Naomi Most" <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Johny reported:
>>> "A non-member has, for a couple weeks or longer, been systematically
>>> digging through EVERYTHING in the Member stacks, taking what he wants,
>>> and leaving the rest all over the floor of the member stacks. It's now
>>> a complete disaster in there."
>>> #0 - is this a Problem?  [I'd say so, yes.]
>>> #1 - what should we do to prevent this?
>>> #2 - if it can't be prevented, what should we do to address this?
>>> Is it actually relevant that this was a non-member?  In what way would
>>> the issue be different if they were Members?
>>> Why has this been going on for "a couple weeks or longer" and we're
>>> only hearing about it on the list buried in a completely irrelevant
>>> thread?
>>> --Naomi
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