[Noisebridge-discuss] Problem: people seeing NB as a backup shelter

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Fri May 9 18:53:57 UTC 2014


Yep, makes sense to me.

Let's do that.  Who's around who likes installing keypads?

On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
> that was my initial suggestion when i floated the idea of putting in a
> keypad.  another key part of that idea was putting the keypad at the TOP OF
> THE STAIRS (not outside the gate).
>
> let me repeat that: the keypad needs to go AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS.
>
> of course everyone who ran with the idea put the stupid thing outside the
> gate, and it was a dumb idea and i had to disinvolve myself because they
> were fucking it up.
>
> the reason it needs to go at the top of the stairs is so it will not affect
> access to the rest of the building (let's not forget we are not the only
> tenants who use that downstairs gate) and it will allow people to look
> through the porthole and see who is even there in the first place.  it would
> probably be relatively trivial to just move the current keypad to the top of
> the stairs and set up a timed lock mechanism.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A very cool suggestion was made at the SecWG meeting two Thursdays ago
>> (next meeting this Thursday at 7pm!)
>>
>> The idea was to install a physical two-factor auth system, where the
>> key still works, but between certain certain hours (or some other
>> heuristic) there's a keypad that must be entered to allow the key to
>> actually open the door.
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > other people use the building besides us.
>> >
>> > changing the lock would also halt the worldwide outreach that Mitch and
>> > others do by giving hackers and hackerspaces in other countries copies
>> > of
>> > the noisebridge key by rendering that keypattern obsolete.
>> >
>> > the solution is a combination of access control, improved ownership of
>> > redshirts team, and outreach within the space that guides people who are
>> > using it as a crashpad / alternate shelter to other resources (which
>> > simultaneously gets them out of the space and messages that the space is
>> > definitely NOT a crashpad).
>> >
>> > Since we are currently way past Dunbar's number AND mired in the Tragedy
>> > of
>> > the Commons, it will take some fairly special, admirable and dedicated
>> > people to take ownership of these problems and see them through to
>> > resolution (you know, sticking with it past all the initial-failure and
>> > solving/tweaking mode stuff).
>> >
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I think that the solution here is access control to the space.
>> >>
>> >> That starts with changing the lock, but I suspect that lots of folks
>> >> would
>> >> be opposed to that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Johny reported:
>> >>>
>> >>> "I met a woman who informed me that she could not get a bed at a
>> >>> shelter, so she came to Noisebridge."
>> >>>
>> >>> #0: is this a problem?  [yes, but is it a problem Noisebridge can
>> >>> fix?]
>> >>>
>> >>> #1: What should we do to prevent this?
>> >>>
>> >>> #2: If it can't be prevented, how should we address it when it arises?
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
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