[Noisebridge-discuss] Problem: people seeing NB as a backup shelter

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Fri May 9 19:27:06 UTC 2014


I'm merely suggesting that someone who has the expertise and enjoys
the activity should probably be given the opportunity to step up and
do a fun thing.

--Naomi


On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:03 PM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
> it doesn't matter if you *like* installing keypads.  you install a keypad
> because you feel strongly that it needs to be done. half the reason we're at
> the point we're at is because people only want to do what they like and not
> what needs to be done regardless of if they like it, and not enough people
> support the idea that we all have to do shit we don't necessarily find to be
> all rainbows and unicorns to make the space work the best for everyone
> involved.
>
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yep, makes sense to me.
>>
>> Let's do that.  Who's around who likes installing keypads?
>>
>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > that was my initial suggestion when i floated the idea of putting in a
>> > keypad.  another key part of that idea was putting the keypad at the TOP
>> > OF
>> > THE STAIRS (not outside the gate).
>> >
>> > let me repeat that: the keypad needs to go AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS.
>> >
>> > of course everyone who ran with the idea put the stupid thing outside
>> > the
>> > gate, and it was a dumb idea and i had to disinvolve myself because they
>> > were fucking it up.
>> >
>> > the reason it needs to go at the top of the stairs is so it will not
>> > affect
>> > access to the rest of the building (let's not forget we are not the only
>> > tenants who use that downstairs gate) and it will allow people to look
>> > through the porthole and see who is even there in the first place.  it
>> > would
>> > probably be relatively trivial to just move the current keypad to the
>> > top of
>> > the stairs and set up a timed lock mechanism.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> A very cool suggestion was made at the SecWG meeting two Thursdays ago
>> >> (next meeting this Thursday at 7pm!)
>> >>
>> >> The idea was to install a physical two-factor auth system, where the
>> >> key still works, but between certain certain hours (or some other
>> >> heuristic) there's a keypad that must be entered to allow the key to
>> >> actually open the door.
>> >>
>> >> --Naomi
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > other people use the building besides us.
>> >> >
>> >> > changing the lock would also halt the worldwide outreach that Mitch
>> >> > and
>> >> > others do by giving hackers and hackerspaces in other countries
>> >> > copies
>> >> > of
>> >> > the noisebridge key by rendering that keypattern obsolete.
>> >> >
>> >> > the solution is a combination of access control, improved ownership
>> >> > of
>> >> > redshirts team, and outreach within the space that guides people who
>> >> > are
>> >> > using it as a crashpad / alternate shelter to other resources (which
>> >> > simultaneously gets them out of the space and messages that the space
>> >> > is
>> >> > definitely NOT a crashpad).
>> >> >
>> >> > Since we are currently way past Dunbar's number AND mired in the
>> >> > Tragedy
>> >> > of
>> >> > the Commons, it will take some fairly special, admirable and
>> >> > dedicated
>> >> > people to take ownership of these problems and see them through to
>> >> > resolution (you know, sticking with it past all the initial-failure
>> >> > and
>> >> > solving/tweaking mode stuff).
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I think that the solution here is access control to the space.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That starts with changing the lock, but I suspect that lots of folks
>> >> >> would
>> >> >> be opposed to that.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Johny reported:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "I met a woman who informed me that she could not get a bed at a
>> >> >>> shelter, so she came to Noisebridge."
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> #0: is this a problem?  [yes, but is it a problem Noisebridge can
>> >> >>> fix?]
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> #1: What should we do to prevent this?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> #2: If it can't be prevented, how should we address it when it
>> >> >>> arises?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> --
>> >> >>> Naomi Theora Most
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>> >> >>>
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