[Noisebridge-discuss] Problem: people seeing NB as a backup shelter

Naomi Most pnaomi at gmail.com
Fri May 9 20:08:54 UTC 2014


That sounds like fun.  (With one major "but", below.)

I'd be concerned about its fragility as a component in security
infrastructure -- it will have power needs and maybe some other
maintenance issues -- but I don't see any reason why we couldn't play
around with something like that and install it when we're convinced
that it works.

BUT... a key entry system that requires foot-mobility would greatly
reduce the accessibilty of our space.  We do have members in
wheelchairs and members who regularly sprain their ankles.  :)

So if we did this fun thing, it would have to be "in addition to" the
keypad -- not a replacement for it.

--Naomi


On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Oren Beck <orenbeck at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Do we even need a "keypad" as such?
>
> I wonder... as a wild hare rabbit stew level idea- a camera aimed at numbers
> projected on floor.  Block beam to # with foot in sequence= camera shows the
> sequence to some AI realm program.  sort of how traffic lights use a camera
> for  lane occupied detection.
>
>  I'd even consider- crude Machine CV scripts? Idea is: to begin timer loops
> when a foot blocks beam ...
>
>
> Place foot on light dot of #1= camera "sees" that as a button push.  Soft
> tone to ack the press. Repeat per digits till done.  Wrong codes might start
> a delay penalty timer... and/or "who's at the door" chime in the space???
>
>
>
>  If you know the code and how to step it in - After a few seconds of footsie
> the relay clicks and you're in.
>
>
>
> There's a million details to get a usable build of my hack.  But the basic
> concept is my gift to NB... I rather hope that some folks can show their
> best efforts at this.
>
> I'd dare presume to assign person's X to some sub-task but that would be
> cheating..  My
>
> Oren Beck
>
> 816.632.3695
>
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 2:27 PM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm merely suggesting that someone who has the expertise and enjoys
>> the activity should probably be given the opportunity to step up and
>> do a fun thing.
>>
>> --Naomi
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 12:03 PM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > it doesn't matter if you *like* installing keypads.  you install a
>> > keypad
>> > because you feel strongly that it needs to be done. half the reason
>> > we're at
>> > the point we're at is because people only want to do what they like and
>> > not
>> > what needs to be done regardless of if they like it, and not enough
>> > people
>> > support the idea that we all have to do shit we don't necessarily find
>> > to be
>> > all rainbows and unicorns to make the space work the best for everyone
>> > involved.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Yep, makes sense to me.
>> >>
>> >> Let's do that.  Who's around who likes installing keypads?
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:51 AM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > that was my initial suggestion when i floated the idea of putting in
>> >> > a
>> >> > keypad.  another key part of that idea was putting the keypad at the
>> >> > TOP
>> >> > OF
>> >> > THE STAIRS (not outside the gate).
>> >> >
>> >> > let me repeat that: the keypad needs to go AT THE TOP OF THE STAIRS.
>> >> >
>> >> > of course everyone who ran with the idea put the stupid thing outside
>> >> > the
>> >> > gate, and it was a dumb idea and i had to disinvolve myself because
>> >> > they
>> >> > were fucking it up.
>> >> >
>> >> > the reason it needs to go at the top of the stairs is so it will not
>> >> > affect
>> >> > access to the rest of the building (let's not forget we are not the
>> >> > only
>> >> > tenants who use that downstairs gate) and it will allow people to
>> >> > look
>> >> > through the porthole and see who is even there in the first place.
>> >> > it
>> >> > would
>> >> > probably be relatively trivial to just move the current keypad to the
>> >> > top of
>> >> > the stairs and set up a timed lock mechanism.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:46 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> A very cool suggestion was made at the SecWG meeting two Thursdays
>> >> >> ago
>> >> >> (next meeting this Thursday at 7pm!)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> The idea was to install a physical two-factor auth system, where the
>> >> >> key still works, but between certain certain hours (or some other
>> >> >> heuristic) there's a keypad that must be entered to allow the key to
>> >> >> actually open the door.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --Naomi
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Fri, May 9, 2014 at 11:43 AM, daravinne <daravinne at gmail.com>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > other people use the building besides us.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > changing the lock would also halt the worldwide outreach that
>> >> >> > Mitch
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > others do by giving hackers and hackerspaces in other countries
>> >> >> > copies
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > the noisebridge key by rendering that keypattern obsolete.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > the solution is a combination of access control, improved
>> >> >> > ownership
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > redshirts team, and outreach within the space that guides people
>> >> >> > who
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> > using it as a crashpad / alternate shelter to other resources
>> >> >> > (which
>> >> >> > simultaneously gets them out of the space and messages that the
>> >> >> > space
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > definitely NOT a crashpad).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Since we are currently way past Dunbar's number AND mired in the
>> >> >> > Tragedy
>> >> >> > of
>> >> >> > the Commons, it will take some fairly special, admirable and
>> >> >> > dedicated
>> >> >> > people to take ownership of these problems and see them through to
>> >> >> > resolution (you know, sticking with it past all the
>> >> >> > initial-failure
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> > solving/tweaking mode stuff).
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Hannah Grimm <dharlette at gmail.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I think that the solution here is access control to the space.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> That starts with changing the lock, but I suspect that lots of
>> >> >> >> folks
>> >> >> >> would
>> >> >> >> be opposed to that.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On Thu, May 8, 2014 at 10:04 AM, Naomi Most <pnaomi at gmail.com>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Johny reported:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> "I met a woman who informed me that she could not get a bed at a
>> >> >> >>> shelter, so she came to Noisebridge."
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> #0: is this a problem?  [yes, but is it a problem Noisebridge
>> >> >> >>> can
>> >> >> >>> fix?]
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> #1: What should we do to prevent this?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> #2: If it can't be prevented, how should we address it when it
>> >> >> >>> arises?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> --
>> >> >> >>> Naomi Theora Most
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